SHoE: Live! Finale Post-Show Tonight
At 11:30 PM EST – Derek, Steve, Damian, Robin and Joe will go live for the final episode of Smallville, which you can join in on at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/starkville-house-of-el.
Be sure not to miss the last episode of SHoE with all the hosts before our final 175th video episode.
There will be a lot of laughs and, undoubtedly, tears as we discuss the final episode of Smallville, which has been ten years in the making. We start at 11:30PM EST, but we plan on going late so west coasters, be sure to join us when Smallville goes dark for you. There will be plenty to discuss long into the night.
There will be 90 minutes in-between the finale and the live show on the east coast – plenty of time for you to film and email your Smallville/SHoE stories and memories to mail@smallvillepodcast.com – guys, we need a LOT of footage for what we are trying to pull off. Whether you’ve listened for one season, or been with us since the beginning, please take a couple of minutes with your iPhone, laptop, or digital camera and send us some footage to have a big close out with. We’d really appreciate it.
I will be there!
Just wanted to clarify something. When the 175th SHoE episode becomes available to download where there’ll also be just an audio version to the actual video? I’m asking because I’m not sure that my computer will be able to allow me to watch the actual version. Sucks but that’s something I can’t change.
As for the 174th episode, I’ll try to watch the post show but since I’m in the west coast I’ll be occupied with watching the finale. When it’s done I’ll see if the show is still going, which will likely be the case, and hear some of your guys’ thoughts.
Hey Guys- Have a great show tonight! Love your show and will really miss it.
The live show is going to be great! This’ll be like the party after the prom. Or the emerald knights dance, whatever. Seriously, have a great evening! Thanks for all you do. I’ll be listening
Me too.
Be there I mean.
Would not miss it for the world.
*tears*
I cannot believe how awesome that episode was.
Wow.
The smallville finale was a Superman movie!
JUST AWEFUL!! WERE YOU ALL WATHCING THE SAME THING I WAS WATCHING???hARDLY ANY ACTION, writers Destroyed the whole Darseid character!! WTF!!
Now that’s how you end a series! I got choked up several times. Glad my wife wasn’t here to see me tearing up…man tears of coarse.
EPIC!!! Man tears, geek-wood and absolute enjoyment. It was pretty much everything I wanted/needed to see. And hear!! Flying! Costume! Cue the music (John Williams of course)! Simply put, wow! Thank you smallville for giving us the ending that was the beginning that Superman deserved.
They just ended the U stream podcast and my god I have tears in my eyes.
Thank you SHoE thank you.
Loved the live show, guys! Epic, as always, just like that finale!
Hope you can feel the hugs and love from across the internet!
I will sorely miss you guys on this show… the laughs, the smart discussion, its been a pleasure listening for years now.
I sign myself under everything @Kevin said with one addition;It was everything I wanted/needed…and MORE,and then some’!
I can’t believe how epic that was, it was all I could have hoped for. I was unable to watch the live show since I live in California but will listen to the audio version soon. Love all the great responses the finale is getting online. There will never be a show I care about more, going to bed now but talk to you all tomorrow when some of the shock where’s off.
Will I be able to listen to the 174th show later,or it was a one time live feed?
Looking forward to hearing this. I’m on the west coast and I waited like an hour to watch so I could skip commercials.
I hope you’ll make the podcast’s video available as well because living in Spain I couldn’t watch it. But anyway, I can’t wait to listen to your comments. I just finished the episode and it was totally EPIC. I’m sad that the show is over but I couldn’t have expected a better ending.
Just started watching your yesterday’s video podcast,cause back then I was in a specific mindset and in the company that didn’t quite allow me to hear you and catch the half of what you’d said,lol!
@ron Dude! Seriously! It was AMAZING! If you didn’t like it, boo hoo. This was a Superman story!!!! Supes doesn’t always use action or fighting to win, in fact, most the time he doesn’t. That’s just how it works. Go and watch it again, please!
I am just listening to the live broadcast from last night now. I was completely incoherent last night after the finale. I had cried so many times that I couldn’t even function. LOL
You guys did such an amazing job. I can’t wait to listen now to your entire reactions to the episode. I LOVED the finale. The whole thing felt like one huge love letter to who Clark is as a hero and as a man and I loved it.
And guys…don’t feel ashamed about your man tears during the Clark/Lois vows and the wedding.
I watched the show with two guys. One was my husband. Another was a close friend of ours. I swear to God….they were both sobbing. LOL
I mean…I was crying. But my husband and our guy friend were like wiping their eyes from the minute Lois starting reading the vows.
There’s no shame in it. True love will do that to even the strongest man. My husband cried more than I did on our wedding day. (True story…he really did.) Sometimes you just have to let it out. :)
You guys are awesome.
Was it just me or did anyone else think for a second that during the final moments in the finale where Clark bumped into Lois in the daily planet that the mind wipe was also used on Lois as well because the way Clark was still acting so bumbly after wards…Boy did I have a huge sigh of relieve when Lois told Clark to can it because no one was paying attention.
:)
By the way, great live video feed of the podcast for the finale. I stayed up till you all signed off watching your feed. I loved actually seeing Damien go from having this big smile to no expression at all when Steve brought up what the people who wanted Chloe to become Lois thought about the finale…LOL
Priceless. SHOE podcast will be missed.
Thanks for all the hard work, effort, and sacrifices all of you guys made over the years bringing this wonderful podcast to all of us. This was by far THE BEST and THE MOST ENJOYABLE podcast around. I wish I had the funding to keep SHOE around permanently and hire all of you guys to keep this going.
But all good things much come to an end…Looking forward to your final podcast, SHOE 175 video.
There were some things I didn’t particularly like [all the relationship stuff with Lois and Clark (the wedding was in the promo), the pandering to the Chloe fans, the Jonathan spirit (seemed out of place and just like an excuse to use John Schneider), the Smallville comic that gives away the secret identity, the lack of a good shot of Welling in the suit, and Clark whining the whole episode lol], so I can understand why people didn’t like it, but I gotta say there was a lot more good than bad, and I enjoyed this a lot more than I expected. After 10 years it would be impossible to please everyone.
The scene with Darkseid, Lionel, and Tess may have been my favorite in Smallville history. Clark flying around with the suit was fantastic, I really only expected him rip open the shirt and show the S. Having Aaron Ashmore play Jimmy was a nice little (almost surprise) cameo. Overall, even though it had a few problems, I thought it was pretty damn good and I’m sorry to see it end.
Great episode. Hope to get the audio so I can listen to it again. Glad that you guys loved the show. I’ve heard some fanboys complain because of the cgi or because we never got to see Tom in the suit. I know because of the budget the cgi has at times looked more like a cartoon, but I don’t care. We saw Clark finally become Superman. The finale was epic.
The CGI was great for a CW TV show.
Michael J. Petty Word man!! Superman uses force only as a last possible resort.
Screwed up Darkseid character,like it was about him,Jeez!!
And I too got more than I expected,I fully expected Clark to just rip open the shirt as well and those who complain about the CGI quality,it’s a show that has had a big problem with budget for three,or four years already and it was on a tv channel that didn’t care much about it or it’s promotion,not to go into ways WB functions as a business..who want’s to know,can find a way to inform themselves about it. And the showrunners still managed to deliver an amazing product!
Besides that,I really do not understand how anyone who’s a fan,of Superman at least,if not SV can watch such an emotional finale and not be taken by it,but be nit-picking about few technical details,that weren’t that bad even objectively,despite the budget that I’m not sure is enough to cover catering for the entire cast and crew.
@Tanner….the stuff you didn’t like was literally, imo, the emotional meat of the episode and what made this finale so emotionally fantastic as opposed to just a live action cartoon.
The scenes between Clark and Jonathan and Clark and Lois were the emotional meat of the episode. The things that Clark expressed about his feelings—the things that you call “whining” were paramount to the end of his journey. Literally every word out of Clark’s mouth in the finale was an important glimpse into the man he has become and what drives him and motivates him in his heroism. That’s the stuff that gives Clark his soul. It’s what helps us understand who he is as a man as opposed to making him some one dimensional hero.
If you removed the emotional relationships between Clark/Jonathan, Clark/Lois and Clark expressing how he felt and sharing his emotions….you would wind up with a meaningless story devoid of any mature emotional context.
I will never understand people who want this show to be like a cartoon for children as opposed to what it is—a mature look at a MAN and everything that makes him a man. Removing the relationships–all of them–removes the depth. It makes the story immature. I would never watch that show and frankly I don’t think this show would have lasted 10 years on the air if it didn’t have that emotional connection.
I watched the show with 2 dudes and they both felt the best thing about the whole series at the end of the day wasn’t the special effects, wasn’t the fights, wasn’t any of that stuff—but the relationships. Clark/Martha/Jonathan, Clark/Lois etc. To each their own I guess. But I gotta say…people wishing that the show as literally a live action cartoon and not appreciating the emotional depth of the story is something that will always astound me.
@Audrey – WORD. Just like the “Fab Five” mentioned in the SHoE Live Finale Show – we needed to hit all of those emotional beats to finish out this show right. The movies don’t have time to delve into that background of the character as deep as we’ve been able to see this show accomplish over it’s ten year run – and if all you want is a live action fight scene and super-save… well, there are already 5 Superman movies in existence, and a 6th coming next year.
IMO, I started watching this show because I wanted to see that emotional, discovery of identity for Clark as he grows into Superman, because that’s something that we never really got to see before – filling in that gap between that frustrated teen who wished he could have saved his father… to the man who flies out of the fortress with confidence to save the world. And Smallville did that for me.
@Audrey and @Em Exactly,AMEN to that!! All of what you said really WAS the whole point of this show and the entire story from it’s very beginning! Finale showed THAT,showed exactly what it was all about perfectly!!
It wasn’t about him having a big “fist” fight with Darkseid,that much was clear from the beginning of this season,it simply wasn’t set up that way.And absolutely rightly so in light of what you’ve already said this entire show was all about.About Clark becoming Superman and all the emotional trials he had to go through and all the people and relationships in his life journey up to that point.
And most important relationships were the ones with Kents,Lex,Lana,Jor-El and in the end and forever Lois Lane!
Also nobody can tell me that we haven’t seen enough action on Smallville,looking at the whole show.
But finale hit all the right points at all the right places in all the right ways and thus was perfect,as a SV episode,as this season finale and as THE Finale of the entire saga,saga about an alien and alienated boy,becoming Earth’s greatest hero!
As you said,without the approach they took,it would’ve been nothing more than an action cartoon with him already being Superman,which would defeat the whole purpose and the idea of this show that lasted as long as it did for a reason.
Thanks guys. ::shrugs::
I require depth from my story telling. I don’t watch things just to see people go “BOOM! POW!” If I wanted to watch something like that…I would watch a cartoon.
Do I love the action? Sure I do. I always appreciate Clark kicking ass and I love great special effects. But personally…I think that all the action has ZERO meaning if there is not emotional depth behind the story.
Not to be overly corny…but…I really question sometimes why people can’t seem to understand how important and deep the love that a man feels for both his mother and father AND for the person that becomes his wife is and how those relationships can shape and change a person over the years.
To flat out ignore how important that emotional development is and what that meant to Clark’s journey and how that all came together so beautifully in the series finale after 10 long years of struggling…it really makes me question just what the hell show you thought you were watching over the last 10 years. The relationship stuff between Clark and his parents and Clark and Lois was ESSENTIAL to providing depth at the end of this journey. If you take it out of the episode….you are left with very little depth for Clark. It’s a much less mature story. It’s a much less compelling story. But maybe that’s just me.
@Audrey
I have no problem with relationships, just the way they were handeled in this episode. The whole time Lois and Clark were talking about not getting married, I just kept thinking about how the wedding is on the commercial, and you know they are gonna work it out anyway. Didn’t like the Jonathan stuff either because I’m not a fan of TV characters talking and interacting with dead people with no explanation. I fail to see how that makes me want an emotionless cartoon.
Question: I know the song that we hear when Clark/Lois go down the isle is Breathe Again by Sara Bareilles, but iTunes shows a regular & live version. Which one was used? From the small clip, it sounds like it might be the live version.
They said it all in the live podcast when they mentioned the finale needed to hit all the right emotional notes and it did. The fact is they could have had a movie sized budget and it would mean nothing if the emotional beats weren’t hit. It doesn’t matter how good the special effects, over time they all look dated. Special effects don’t make a movie a classic, its the emotion. If I had too choose over a movie sized fight with Clark and Darkseid or Jonathan handing Clark the Superman Suit I would pick Jonathan every time.
@ Tanner,perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying.
Either way, I disagree and I think you are sort of missing the point as to why this was important to the narrative. On the surface–without looking deeper—I guess one could write off the Jonathan stuff and the Clark/Lois stuff. But when you look deeper…the conflict was extremely important to Clark’s story.
Per Jonthan: I think there was a much deeper symbolism to Jonathan appearing than just a “Tv character interacting with a dead person with no explanation.”
First off…there was an explanation. The explanation was given that Clark had been pushing aside the memories of his father and had been pushing his presence out of his life because he felt he had to shed his past in order to move on. I don’t think the point of the narrative was that Jonathan was a “ghost” at all. I think the point of the narrative was that Clark was finally able to FEEL his father’s presence in his life and believe that his father was with him in his heart no matter where he went. It wasn’t really about Jonathan being there as a “ghost” at all. The point was that Clark knew that his father was with him—every step of the way—no matter how hard things got—and he willingly openly his heart up to feeling that love and presence. The audience and Clark “saw” Jonathan so that we could have a visual to connect with. But it was never about Jonathan being a “ghost.” It was about Clark believing that his father was with him.
Now, perhaps you don’t believe that we, as human beings, can connect with or feel the presence of our loved ones after they have passed away. But I think it’s important to remember that this is not about (and has never been about) what WE believe. IT’s about what CLARK believes. Clark Kent clearly believes in an afterlife. He’s proven this time and time again by “leaning” on his father’s spirit for guidance and seeking comfort in his father even after his death. He doesn’t believe physical death is the end. This character, for all intents and purposes, believes in the power of an afterlife and your loved ones always being with you. (And for what it’s worth–this is true in the overall Superman canon even more clearly as Clark Kent is openly identified as having been raised Christian in the overall mythos.)
As for Lois and Clark:
Yes, the wedding was on the promo. But the issues that Clark and Lois were working out were about so much more than that. The issue wasn’t about “will they get married?” We’ve known that Lois and Clark will be together from the minute Lois found Clark in that cornfield back in Season 4. It has NEVER EVER been a secret that Lois and Clark would be together. Their destiny has been as transparent as Clark’s destiny to Superman and Lex’s descent to villainy. They belong together as lovers in much the same way that Lex/Clark belong as adversaries.
But what this finale did—BRILLIANTLY—in the final push and pull between Lois and Clark was openly address under no uncertain terms one of the central ideas of the series since day #1—Does Clark have to be alone to be the hero? This has been Clark’s greatest fear since the pilot episode and it only made sense that this was addressed head on in the series finale since this was a central theme from the start.
It’s also a response to the pre-crisis and Donnerverse versions of the Superman story. Superman II put forth the notion that Lois and Clark could not be together because of Clark’s duty to the world. That their love was SELFISH. That they had to sacrifice how much they loved each other for the greater good. Now, despite the fact, that the comics and television have THANKFULLY moved past the idea for the last 30 years or so….there are many people out there who still consider Superman II and the Donnerverse to be “how the story goes.”
Lois and Clark openly addressing this issue and choosing to commit themselves to each other and walk down that aisle together was the show’s way of addressing this issue once and for all and saying, “No. That is not the only way the story can go. Superman doesn’t have to be a lonely, tragic hero. They don’t have to sacrifice each other. They are stronger together than alone.” It was a question that was posed in the pilot episode 10 years ago and it was a question that the show clearly wanted to answer in the finale.
The scene between Lois and Clark at the door wasn’t just about “will they get married?” That’s the shallow way of looking at it. It was about Clark–finally and fully confronting a 10 year question head on and deciding once and for all that he chose LOVE over FEAR.
Both emotional arcs were, imo, essential to the narrative and the series finale and Clark’s overall journey would have been incomplete without them.
And yes, I do question anyone who can’t see the underlying value and importance in those questions being addressed in the way they were in the finale. Because if you can’t see why that was important and why they served such an important purpose then I question if you truly understood Clark at all. JMO
@Audrey
Jonathan: I don’t have any problem with people remembering the ones they’ve lost and using those people for support, I have a problem with the dead people picking stuff up, which there was no explanation.
Lois: Just found everything about them pre-wedding boring.
I still liked the episode though.