SHoE: Episode 152 – San Diego Cluster Con 2010
Many SHoEligans died to bring you this episode. Rumors of SHoEligans deaths are highly exaggerated. We’re back with an all new episode, featuring the SHoE Braintrust and TV Guide’s own Damian Holbrook who were in attendance at SDCC 2010 and specifically at the Smallville s10 panel as well as the press junket afterwards. We break down the interviews, as well as the footage from ‘Lazarus’ and ‘Shield’. Don’t miss it!
Its so great to finally see a new episode up! Thanks SHoE crew!
I just finished listening to this podcast ep. on the Zune Marketplace website. First off @Derek Russell and @Damian Holbrook I am glad I’m not the only one who has the hots for Susan Kesser. Lol.
The way the “SHoE braintrust” described SDCC did two things for me… First made me feel I was actually there in San Diego with the trust. Secondly, I had flashbacks to the day of the panel and how I didn’t want to stay in my apartment that day just because I would be at my iMac updating Safari all day long so I needed to do something to occupy my time. Even though, I had my iPhone 3G with me updating my Twitter so that defeats my argument. Lol.
I think the tenth season has a lot of unanswered questions coming into it. Involving every character and I don’t believe those questions will be answered until 10×22 (I know duh, but there needs to be A LOT of wrapping in the tenth season.) It sounds like Chloe will not be in 10×04 WHICH STINKS. I wish Chloe would be around for the return of Smallville High. But, oh well.
(Spoiler Alert! for the podcast): Much like the tenth season seems to have this feel this podcast has the feeling of “wrapping up” and “moving on” especially towards the end of the podcast. Which is kind of sad and really kind of fitting. Now, I will listen GOL and “Blending In” but when SHoE ends it won’t be the same. But you know like Smallville seems to be going, SHoE should go out with its head held high.
By the way my fellow Android, iPod, and Zune SHoEligans are we all in agreement Kim Jordan: “Hottest Woman in Podcasting” and Joe Hummerich: “Best Hair in Podcasting?”
Lastly, I believe this is SHoE’s best non-ep. podcast you guys have done. I enjoyed the style of the podcast and you guys should really consider doing the finale this way and of course add Honkin’ to the mix as well. Great podcast Brain Trust.
The episode isn’t downloading from the iTunes store. Does anyone else have this problem?
@Tim Are you wanting to download the ep. to your iPod? Because the Zune Marketplace website: http://social.zune.net/podcast/Starkville’s-House-of-El-Podcast-(Standard-MP3)/c63b56ec-1b80-4f05-8225-628c818696fc works all right and you can always listen from the site.
Something that the brain-trust brought up is how awful the cell and or wi-fi signal is at SDCC. Also, something I found very insane and kind of funny is how many friggin times I heard a “tweet” sound on the video from the panel. Like every five seconds one could heard a “tweet” from people’s Android, Blackberry, Windows Computer, Mac Computer, iPod Touch/iPhone/iPad, and or Zune HD.
Interesting about Cat Grant being Clark’s new sounding board..does that mean she will know Clark’s secret too??
@WendySue I don’t think so. That would be interesting though. The fact that Lois knows that Clark is “The Blur” but he doesn’t know that yet. But the fact that he could be spending more time with Cat that could be some good tension.
By the way Keri Lynn Pratt will be playing Cat Grant. Like Damian said on the podcast she was on The WB TV series Jack and Bobby as Jack’s girlfriend and she was in the live action Fat Albert film.
One thing I’d like to see is the tension between Cat and Lois that has been in the comics and on “Lois & Clark” because we all know how Lois feels about “perky blondes.”
@Woo Thanks! works perfectly. Anybody know if they are gonna ignore Cat from Crossfire? If this version is older they can bring back Toyman for the dark storyline about her son.
@Tim I can’t recall in “Crossfire” if the blonde woman’s name was “Catherine Grant” I know her first name was Catherine but did we get a last name? I believe Honkin’ might have just assumed that that is who that woman was.
It was Catherine Grant..Lois had a picture of Saying at the end of Crossfire, good morning Metropolis with Catherine Grant.. It was before Clark Kissed Lois at the end of Crossfire..
@WendySue Well this actress that we see in 10×01 could be Katherine Grant so maybe that is the way the writers get around that. But who knows they may not even acknowledge 09×07.
Great episode of SHoE. I’ve been waiting for this episode for a while and it met all of my expectations. One thing they discussed was how “Homecoming” might be a retrospective episode. Well I kinda came up with this theory. Remember in season 8 when Chloe’s memory was being erased due to the effects of Brainiac? She kind like was teleported to all of her old memories. Well since we know Brainiac 5 is going to be in “Homecoming” and most likely he will be part of the Legion of Superheroes like he is in the comics then he should be able to go through time obviously. So maybe Clark goes back in time to the old Smallville High days with Braniac 5. Clark might be able to re-watch some of the memorable moments of the show. Maybe Clark follows Bugboy after he disappears into a swarm of bugs and finds out what happens to him. Also Braniac 5 could bring Clark to the future since one of the characters will see the future. What do you guys think?
@Quinten I could totally see that working. Are my fellow iPod, Zune, and Android SHoEligans all in agreement that 10×04 will most likely shape the rest of the season?
Here is a something to think about in regards to Chloe in the tenth and finale season. I was thinking about what a lot of us Chloe fans were thinking of a lack of her character in the finale season. In an odd way here becoming Dr. Fate is a perfect conclusion of her character.
One of Chloe’s biggest goals maybe her biggest goal throughout the series is being a part of something larger then herself. We saw this when she was at The Torch with The Wall of Weird, we saw this when she got her then dream job at The Daily Planet, we saw at when she was working at the Isis Foundation, we saw this when she became “WatchTower.” She also says to Clark in “Abyss” that ep. that Quinten mentioned that when she learned Clark’s secret and became his “Oracle” that made her feel apart of something that mattered.
My point to all this is now that she becomes Dr. Fate (or that is what we are meant to believe due to the trailer) she much like Clark finally gets what she has always wanted. To be apart of something larger than herself. Opinions? iPod, Zune, and Android SHoEligans?
For those of you SHoEligans that want Lex to return (because they are so few of you who want Rosenbuam to return…) I think we will get Lex in some way in the tenth season. Whether it is a mention like 9×22 or a bald headed figure or Rosenbuam himself. Smallville as a series cannot end without Lex Luthor in some way. Are we all in agreement fellow Android, Zune, and iPod SHoEligans?
@Woo As far as Lex goes, if I do not see Michael Rosenbaum in season 10 as Lex Luthor it will shatter my dreams. Its been pretty much stated that Lex will be in the final season but we just don’t know to what extent. If things don’t go well with Rosenbaum, then we will probably see an older clone. I guess it just depends on Rosey
@Woo I don’t know if I like Chloe as Doctor Fate. It just seems to weird. I’ll just have to wait and see.
Great podcast…I’ve been in a SHOE withdraw. :)
It’s refreshing to hear what it’s like to be at Comic Con from an actual voice rather than reading about it on someone’s blog or website.
Derek mentioned that he has a problem with the suit from Superman Returns because Smallville has their own spin on the S. I can see where Derek is coming from because after a year of seeing Smallville’s take on the shield, it does make one say what the crap after seeing the suit from SR. However, if recycling the suit from SR means leaving more room in the budget for FX, costumes, casting, or anything else that they wanna do, especially with everything in the bucket list that Brian and Kelly are trying to get, I have no problems with it.
What do you guys think?
@TJ I want them to save all the money they possibly can so they can Michael Rosenbaum enough to get him on. I don’t care if they used the Chris Reeves suit (well yea I kinda do but still).
@Quinten I think that they didn’t use the Reeve suit was because (and no one get mad) it is kind of out-dated. Now, not for us Superman fans (which I think we all are), but for TV, Smallville, and even Superman Returns fans. Plus, the regular Smallville watcher probably wouldn’t get the significance or Christopher Reeve’s suit. And I agree with you one Rosenbaum, if they can save every penny for Rosenbaum, I would most assuredly be grateful, even if it was the last two episodes of the show, or if it was the last 5 (witch I am so hoping for)!
That was a fun show guys! Thanks for uploading.
On a different note. I just saw the season premiere images on K-Site and am IN TEARS over the image with Jonathan hugging his son and kissing him on the forehead.
@Quinten and @TJ I love the Superman Returns suit. I think it is my favorite version of the classic “Man of Tomorrow” suit. I think if Tom puts that suit on and uses it in 10×22 I would be more than happy with that.
@Sarita. THIS SO MUCH. I have absolutely no context for this scene, but that still of Jonathan holding Clark almost had me in tears.
@Natasha I know the feeling, that should almost be the cover to you The Blur series #23!
@since1938 How awesome was your first SHoE shout-out?
I dont mind them using the suit but get rid of the S.
a) it is too small for Tom’s chest it would look silly
b) it needs to be the classic S seeing as they are using alot of Donnor movie design.
@Ben I like that idea!
@Michael J Petty…You don’t even have to say it, you already know that scene will be depicted on the cover one way or another :D
Here is something that I was thinking about last night. Don’t you think my fellow Zune, Android, and iPod SHoEligans it makes sense that Clois would be physically apart for at least a few eps. in the tenth season? I mean it is awkward enough that Clark kept him being “The Blur” from Lois for two season. Whether she understood why he had to do that or not there still has to be some awkwardness there. Let alone Lois in the trailer from SDCC Lois pretty much saw Clark laying on the asphalt stabbed and pretty much lifeless. Any other woman or man would need some time away from something like that to re-evualte their life and what is going on in said life.
This is similar to “Lois & Clark” season three when Lois & Clark broke up. It is just a natural thing and a logical story-line. What do my fellow Zune, Android, and iPod SHoEligans think?
@Woo It makes sense that they could possibly break up but I hope they don’t and by the things everyone’s saying, I don’t think they’ll break up until maybe midway through the season. There is still a strong possibility though.
@Woo….WASSUUUUPPP! I got a shout out!
*ahem* Anyway, I’m still listening to the podcast, but I wanna thank the braintrust for entertaining me while I conduct my field work for my job. Doing home visits for adult criminal offenders is that much more fun when I get to relive the awesomeness of Comic Con with my SHoE ppl.
BTW Derek, Kim, Brian, and (my homeboy) Joe, Al Septien is SO AWESOME (as well as Don & Holly, Drew Landis and Julia Swift) for signing my artwork. They were all super nice and gracious and just the most awesome writing staff that I can imagine ever existing for sitting there and caring enough to stop and talk to us fans.
@Quinten I’m not even saying have them break-up… Reason being if you really think about it aren’t they still kind of broken up from “Hostage” anyways? I’m just saying they could have a conversation in the loft, WatchTower, Farmhouse etc. somewhere and have Lois be like “some really intense crap went down the last 48 to 72 hours and I just need to get away. I love you Clark, but I can’t deal with this right now.”
I have another poll for my fellow Android, iPod, and Zune SHoEligans if anyone can recall the opening music of the “previously on” I think they used it also in “Absolute Justice” somewhere in that ep. Should that be the JLA theme for the rest of the series?
For all you iPod SHoEligans and I know there is many of you (including myself) They just debuted the latest generation of Apple iPods. Check this link out: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20015370-37.html Especially the new iPod Touch.
I need to ask this question because I have been seeing a lot of “They need to do this for the tenth season to work…” or “The tenth season will be so awesome if…” What do my fellow Android, iPod, and Zune SHoEligans think is the biggest mistep in Smallville history? I am not talking about eps. I am just talking about a story-line that made you go “what in the heck is this garbage?” Just in general, no specific characters, overall seasons, nothing like that. Just what was the worst story-line in Smallville history or one you despised the most? I’ll give mine after I see some of yours just because I am not sure 110%
@Woo I am going to have to go with the Lana being a witch storyline. It could have been cool but it just came off cheesy to me. That and the three stone thing was done pretty poorly in my opinion.
@ Woo, I’m gonna go with the second half of Season 6 (i.e. the second half of Crimson) up until Traveler in Season 7. I could pretty much skip all of that be a lot happier about the show. In that timeframe, they had pretty much f***ed up Clark’s characterization to the point that people were a) rooting for Oliver and not Clark (I wasn’t one of them), b) it made Lana more important than the real star of the show, and elevated the importance of her character to an unnecessary degree considering she is not one of the Big Three in Superman canon (the 3 being Clark, Lois, and Lex) and c) WTF was all the stalling for? They could’ve eliminated those eps I stated and combined the first half of S6 and the post-writers-strike Season 7 into a pretty damn good season, then go ahead with 8, 9, and 10 (only repackaged as 7, 8, and 9…or just have two half seasons so we could go out on a round number 10, whatever).
Granted there are few (and I mean FEW) eps in between Crimson and Traveler that I wouldn’t mind keeping like Phantom, Bizarro, Kara, and maybe Blue if only to introduce the idea of Blue Kryptonite, but that’s still a hell of a lot of eps of Clark not being nearly as awesome as he’s been since Apocalypse onward. So yes, that whole “Lana is the center of the universe” storyline for what amounts to a season’s worth of episodes can be eliminated as a waste of space.
I agree with you, Natasha. My “horrible” arcs are the Grant Gabriel story and the whole Lana is pregnant storyline. Both were unnecessary to Clark’s development as Superman.
@ Natasha
Understandable, but remember SMALLVILLE also started out as the story of how Lex Luthor ultimately spirals into villainry. Cloning his dead baby brother very much contributed to that. Now in PERSONA, when Lex actually sends someone to kill Grant and the blatant imagery that him standing in the rain stined with figurative blood (like we saw in HOURGLASS) is the moment that it all hit home for me. There’s no turning back, like Lionel said, he’d been lost.
Now, Grant dating Lois was…eh. And I think all SHOEligans feel the same concerning the Lana pregnancy.
@ Nancy
My comment was actually meant for you.
I know I’m sound like a total noob but I really don’t know much about Kara. I wanted to know where does Linda Danvers work? Or is she still in school?
@Woo MICAHEL ROSEMBAUM as LEX LUTHOR would make season ten awesome!
@Natasha What about Prototype?
@Sarita Wrong! (In the Keven Spacy Lex Luthor voice) and I’ll tell you why. SMALLVILLE did not start out as a show about Lex’s fall to villainy, it started out as Clark’s journey and meeting people who will be a big part of his life (example: Lex, Perry, Lois, and Oliver). I’m sorry if that wasn’t what you meant, but I had to correct you.
@Michael Your right about how the show started as Clark’s journey but the show was also about Lex’s fall to villainy and about Chloe’s journey and Lois’s journey. Obviously Clark is the main focus but those other three characters had pretty much just as much focus as Clark did. I also think that is why so many people were turned away from the show due to all the characters that shared the same spotlight with Clark.
@ Michael J. Petty
It wasn’t the main point (I mean dun it’s a Supes show) but it was a HUGE part of the series throughout. Every single Lex scene didn’t have Clark in it and many times Lex carried his own episodes (sort of) and we (or at least I) didn’t mind b/c it had to happen. I believe it was in QUEST that Edward Teague said that for every force of good in the world there must be an equal one of evil. That it keeps the universe in balance.
That is what this story is partly about. Lex and Clark started off at somewhat comman ground and throughout 8 years were driven apart, facing relatively the same issues (albeit in different forms) and forced to make the same general decisions but ultimately taking different paths.
Doctor Fate said that Lex would be Clark’s greatest adversary (no surprise there) and to arrive at that point from where Lex was introduced was crucial. It may have not been the beginning concept but Al and Miles themselves talked about this being important to show and a goal of theirs over the 7 years they were on the show.
So…yeah. Make of that what you will.
@Michael J. Petty I see your point. @Sarita I see your point. @since1938 I see your point. @Nancy I see your point. @Quinten I see your point.
Mine would have to be and I thought about this throughout the day and really nothing else trumps this for me. Why have Alicia and Clark have such a deep connection and a real genuinely love and not mine that for another two seasons? Or at least for the majority of the fifth season? Other than Jonathan’s death what did Clark really have going on other than maybe Brainiac (and that was in only like 5 eps. at best throughout the season.) because Clana in the fifth season was forced… I know some of you maybe typing on your Windows Computers or Macs and bringing up this point: “Wouldn’t Alicia and Jonathan dying in the same season would have made the rest of the fifth and sixth season really ‘angsty’?” Wasn’t kind of written that way anyhow?
@Michael…like I said, there are eps in the mix of those that I listed, but without a full episode guide in front of me, I know I left a few out. And to be honest, I disliked S6 (the back half) so much (I’m not ashamed to admit it was because of the Clexana stuff and AlMiles inability to let Clark move on…God, I love Kelly and Brian so much right now) that I haven’t seen any eps from S6-7 besides Apocalypse since they aired (I just really loved Apocalypse). So I would probably agree with Prototype if I watched it again.
I guess my point is that I didn’t care for any storyline that unnecessarily made Clark come out in a bad light. I don’t mind him making mistakes because it’s reason #53987 why I love Clark, but it’s when he makes mistakes and learns from them that I think build his character to the point we’ve finally gotten to in S8 forward. But it was like those two seasons had him taking 1 step forward and then 6 steps back and it was aggravating for a Clark/Superman fan to watch, especially when those steps back were in order to build up another character.
I forgot about Labyrinth also, which is an episode that I really liked and hoped that Clark living in that Alternate Dream Universe would show to him just how toxic certain relationships were to him, but apparently the PTB didn’t think that was a lesson he should’ve learned from that experience. 1 step forward, 6 steps back.
I think most fans would agree with @Natasha..more or less..I sure as heck do!And about those dance steps he did…yeah annoying as hell,only I think 6 steps back may have even worked better,because in that case he would have in fact been moving backwards which would have been more interesting for Clark’s character as a storyline about him temporarily deviating from his path or even his temporary downfall that would propel him up again.
And I don’t mean season 9 leaving everyone and everything,his humanity behind kind of stuff..I mean completely going the wrong way,being lost for a while..Even that would make for a far more compelling storytelling about character’s drama than what they did with Clark within that timeframe!
Instead it seemed he’d been stuck in one place,or orbiting around one place..waltzing around Lana,while she and some other characters had the spotlight and Clark was almost in a supporting role to their stories!It was just…wrong!!!
Although..the fact is one can find some pretty cool episodes even in those two seasons,or even in those two half-season periods between 6 and 7!