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I also realize that John S. said this in his San Diego Comic Con interview for SHoE. Bbut after thinking about Clark’s journey he has had in the ninth season. I just wanted to rationalize his return in type and in my mind.
I was just talking to a friend on Facebook about Smallville she hasn’t followed the series since like the fourth season. It is odd looking back to the fourth season and how many cast changes, departures, and really what has happened to Clark, Lois, and Chloe since that time. It is very mind blowing how the series has evolved from the days of Chloe and Lois trying to dunk Clark in water. To what we have now.
@Woo Yes it is! My cousins favorite season is four. He still watches the show, but 4 is his favorite for some reason. I personally loved 4, but 9 surpasses it for me. It has come from a very complicated high school drama/sci-fi series into a super-hero series, and that’s NOT a bad thing. I love the first 4 seasons (although I’m skeptical on 3), but if the whole show was about (as Mr.Glosson would put it) “relationships” and Superman getting through high-school (which I actually start today) then i don’t think it would have been on this long and been successful. But, like I said, it’s changed, and for the better I might add. We got Superman in season one, sure, but then they just started hinting and he didn’t act much like Superman (Red and Exodus for example). He acted like a normal teenage boy for a while. Season 4, I think, brought him back to being more like Superman, but he still wasn’t there yet. Season 5 came along and hey, “look, up at the screen! It’s a high-school kid! No, it’s a mild-mannered farm boy! No, it’s Superman!” We may not have gotten the “S” yet, but look at Reckoning! That was a Superman story! And a very good one at that! The whole Phantom Zone Zod stuff that went on during that season, that was Superman. Season 6 explored that a little more when Clark decided to go after the Phantoms he let loose, and when he teamed up with the Justice League (”Let’s go save the world!”). Season 7 gave us Superman in a little different way, and that was seeing Clark teach Kara about using her powers and living a normal life, something Superman tries to do with heroes in the comics. Season 8 gave us Clark Kent/Superman. We had seen Clark throughout the whole series, but it was a different Clark than we’re used to. Season 8 gave us the reporter Clark Kent that we have been waiting for, plus the Red-Blue Blur’s front page story saving Lois Lane. Season 9 brought Clark back as a darker Superman, but we finally got the “S”, and we saw a glimpse of the real Superman saving a crashing plane in the future. So, yes the show has evolved, the characters have evolved, but all for the better.
WHOA! You’re JUST starting high school? You just shattered my entire universe! I for some reason thought you were older. Anyways, welcome to hell. I hope it you’re not completely and totally devoured on your first day freshie. ; D
Yeah, I’m sorry about your universe. I wasn’t devoured too bad, I ignored most people. Anyway, no I’m not older, proof of the would be going back to SHoE episode 135 Crossfire where Steve reads my email (which I typed in all caps on accident, so I got hammered for that) I tell him I’m 14, now I’m 15, but still.
@Michael. J Petty As long as you didn’t get tagged with a red S and get tied to a post in just your underwear. I think it might have been a good first day. Lol.
I had an idea recently and i thought it was really good. Well the CW most likely won’t do anything at all to continue the story of Smallville once it’s over unless they do a spin-off but it doesn’t look like its happening. I though that maybe DC could make a monthly Smallville comicbook. It would be very successful since all fans of Smallville would buy it which is around like 2.5 million. It would allow us to see a true spin on Superman since Smallville is about Clark. We wouldn’t have to deal with actors not returning since they can be simply drawn in with the actor’s likeness. They could add in tons of popular villains that they just couldn’t do on tv. If Geoff Johns worked on it, that would be fricking amazing. It would be like Ultimate Superman. I really hope DC does this even if there is a Smallville spin-off on the CW or any other network. What do you guys think?
@Quinten Your idea is pretty much what Darkhorse Comics did with Joss Whedon’s Angel and Firefly when they didn’t get renewed. I don’t know if it would sell, but I can see it working.
As far as the spin-off goes. Let’s just say for argument sake that Ollie does die in the tenth season. (Reason being I don’t see The CW making a JLA/JSA series. Not that I wouldn’t love that. I just don’t see it occurring.) If he does die I doubt that many people from Smallville will make guest appearances like Lois, Chloe, and Clark. Just because the writers (whoever they maybe) want this to feel more like a Green Arrow series than a Smallville series.) I may be wrong, this is just how I feel the writers may go if they choose too. Opinions fellow Zune, Android, and iPod SHoEligans?
@Woo Yea i totally agree with you. If there is a Smallville spin-off i highly doubt any cast members from Smallville will make appearances unless the show becomes extremely successful. When (and if) we Tom Welling fully in the Superman outfit in the series finale, I hope they take a crap load of photos of him so that in the potential Smallville spin-off we could see pics of Tom Welling as Superman in the newspapers. That at least show some connection from Smallville.
@Tanner
Good point but at that time the show was a lot more “Al & Miles”ish so the show wasn’t as Supermanish as it has been the past two seasons and going on three. It also could have been the comic book writer. If a Smallville vet like Geoff Johns pens the comics or even Jeph Loeb, there’s no way it’ll fail
This is kinda out there but if the comic is made I want DC to treat it the same way they treated Batman Beyond. Since Batman Beyond wasn’t originally part of the DC universe, DC decided to make the Batman Beyond world part of a different “Earth” (which is like a different universe in DC comic terms). Terry McGinnis (Batman Beyond) has actually met the mainstream Superman and Batman. I think it would be pretty cool if Smallville’s Clark met the mainstream Superman. Maybe as the Blur or something, I don’t know. It’s wishful thinking. Probably would be better as a fan-fic but I’d still likie to see it professionally done.
^ Kinda like the “Lois & Clarks” episode of Lois & Clark. I loved it when they used them to prove that Clark wasn’t Superman since they were both at the press conference
Who has seen the new SMALLVILLE images?!? I love the one of Lois on the scarecrow post just like Clark was 200 episodes ago (they say its from Lazarus, but we all know it’s from Homecoming)!
@Quinten I have always thought in the early days of my watching the DVD’s/Blu-ray’s of seasons one through six that this is how Smallville can be explained to the “haters” (which can be different than “Man of Steel” purists) of how Smallville works continuity wise in DC continuity. Your idea of Smallville being an “else world” story like “Kal” or “Speeding Bullets” was. I don’t know that DC/Superman fans would accept this and I want to throw a question out to my fellow Zune, Android, and iPod SHoEligans… Do you believe that because Smallville was presented to audiences in October of 2001 in the style of a “Degrassi The Next Generation” more than a “Man of Steel” origin series. Therefore this is why “purists” have a problem with the series? That if we have the series begin essentially more or less how the fourth or fifth season began more comics fans would have been more receptive of it?
Or is it because so many things happened to Clark… meeting Lex when he still was in the ninth grade, meeting Lois in the twelfth grade, and meeting all the JLA/JSA heroes and or his rogues gallery of villains even before he became “The Big Blue Boy Scout” do you think that is the problem comics fans had and or have with Smallville?
The main reason I ask this question is for two reasons… “Lois & Clark” got really cheesy in its fourth season and I don’t hear many people bashing that series. Also, every time I get excited about Smallville at my local comic book store. I get these looks on people’s face like they just sucked on a sour lime. Opinions, please my fellow Zune, Android, and iPod SHoEligans?
@Tanner Yes, I believe so too. But to me it’s funny most people (minus Prof. Bailey) do not know when Superman first meets Green Arrow or Toyman or Metallo but they still nitpick.
@Woo From all the complaints I have heard most purists really dislike the show do to Clark fighting his entire rogues gallery before donning the cape. Also how Green Arrow has become a main character in a “Superman” show. I’m totally fine with it, I just don’t know why people flip out about people changing things around a little.
@Woo Very true, Clark (in the comics, well at least the Silver Age) met Green Arrow, Aquaman, Brainiac, Lex, Toyman, Metallo, Zod, The Legion of Super-Heroes, and I believe he knew who the JSA were all while he was still in High School as Superboy! So, no true Superman comic book fan should hate this show. It just goes to show how primitive there knowledge is, especially since I’m 15 and most of them are what over 20?
@Quinten It’s not necessarily a only Superman show, well at least it wasn’t, that is why it is called SMALLVILLE and NOT SUPERMAN. The show was originally about how characters like Clark, Lex, Lana, Chloe, and Pete went through their youth and grew up to fulfill their own destiny’s. Then around season five, and I have to agree with Steve on this, it became about relationships, but it also became a show about heroes, maybe not just Superman, but we also were introduced to Aquaman, Angel of Vengeance (who I want to see on the show again!), and Cyborg. Season Six came and we saw Green Arrow, Martian Manhunter, and the Justice League. Season Seven and we met Kara and saw Clark trying to teach her to become a hero (which she does become) and we saw Black Canary. Season Eight, for me, really became a Superman show. Lex was the bad guy, we had more Superman villains, and we saw relationships form. Season Nine reminded me almost of the Return of Superman story-line from the 90’s. We saw Clark come back after a few months and become The Blur, stripping himself of all his “human” ties and trying to be a savior. Season Ten will most likely be more of a Superman show from what we have heard so far. He has the suit, he will probably fly, he has Lois and she knows, his father is giving him great advice once again, Chloe (as much as I love that character) has left the building, I don’t think we’ll see as much Oliver this season, and we haven’t heard much about Tess. So, (like everyone else) I’m hoping that Lex Luthor will rise again. And even if we don’t get Rosenbaum (which I am sure we probably will) we will get some sort of reference that Lex is alive and well, and all Superman/Smallville fans will rejoice! So, that’s my tangent for today, thanks for reading!
@Woo I completely understand what you’re talking about and this is coming from a recovered,or converted purist who I was and still am to a degree about some points arround the Superman mythology..I’d even refused to watch the show for about 8 years of it’s run and your points about why the so called “purists” dislike the show are somewhat valid,but I think that it isn’t exactly about what the show is doing..it’s mostly about them,just as it was with me,I admit it,not knowing enough about the show and not even bothering to find out about it before starting to spue venom and hate all over something you don’t really understand!I never was one of the haters though,I just didn’t want to have anything with it and with me it was also about being sick of all of the teenage angst high school dramas and shit like that!I mean Kurt Cobain had sung in one of Nirvana’s songs how teenage angst has payed off well and look where it got him,he never got to be bored and old as he sings further on in the song!
Anyway I’ve changed my mind and once I’d gotten talked into actually watching the show..I have watched all of it all 8 seasons of it over the course of about two months..last summer and become a big fan of it!! I even like some things they’ve done in SV better than they are in a Superman canon,or should I say “dogma”,since I believe one should always except positive changes!
@Michael J.Petty Please don’t get offended by ny high school crap rant..I meant on TV..and besides you seem more mature than your age.Anyway good luck in high school..you’re gonna need it,hell even Clark Kent needed it!
@Michael I totally agree with you. I think most Superman purists or just comicbook fans expected this show to be a Superman show but it isn’t. Once season 5 came around it was definitely more of a Superman show than ever before but most purists or comicbook fans left the show already. I know a lot of people who quit Smallville after like the third season but when i got into it (which was when the 9th season was ending. I rewatched the whole series) I d my friends who hadn’t seen it since season 3 all of the cool stuff that has been happening and how its a lot more comicbooky. And now they are into it
@James No problem man, I totally agree with you. No offense taken, and thanks about the maturity thing.
@Quinten That’s awesome that they’re into it again. You started watching in the ninth season, and you’re already caught up! Good for you (round of applause)! Yeah, I started in the sixth season with Justice (I was watching Justice League Unlimited at the time and heard about a live-action JLA+Martian Manhunter on Smallville, so I watched it, although the only thing I didn’t like about that episode was there was no Martian Manhunter). Most say season six was the worst, but I started there and to this day it is my second favorite season (after nine)!
@Michael Yea when i found out from this website IGN.com that Clark got the Superman suit in “Salvation”, I was like “Holy crap he’s almost Superman.” So I downloaded all of season 1 at the beginning of summer and fell absolutely in love with the show. Since I had no school I spent 100% of my time watching the episodes and spending all my money on the box sets. Now I kinda just watch whatever season that pops into my head. The show got me into comics and a whole bunch of stuff. I wanted to see everything having to do with Superman every created lol. Thank god for Netflix. And yes I did sign-up for Netflix through this site once I started listening to SHOE. Which was after I finished the series but at the time I didn’t know anyone who watched the show so I wanted to here someone else’s opinions on stuff.
Something that many of you brought up is the fact that this series began as more of a Clark Kent TV series than a “Big Blue Boy Scout” series proper and I think most of the “purists” thought like a couple of my fellow SHoEligans were saying that most hardcore DC Comic fans were half expecting in the third season the Legion of Superheroes and or Brainiac and to be frank with you; back when Smallville was on The WB I kind of expected that in the third if not the fourth season let alone the eighth season.
To be honest with my fellow iPod, Zune, and Android SHoEligans I really didn’t enjoy Smallville for the same reasons I like it now believe it or not. The first thing I didn’t like was non-comic book fans not knowing that Clana wasn’t going to work out. See, this is why I really didn’t have a problem with Clana because I knew it was not going to last especially the bringing in of Durance in the fourth season. My other big problem initially with Smallville was that it did look more like “90210″ type series more than a “Man of Steel” series.
I did get into Smallville later obviously because Joss Whedon’s Angel went off the air and I needed my TV genre fix.
@Michael J. Petty Hey, look at this way without season six we haven’t had the season six HD-DVD/Blu-ray/DVD boxset and without that box set many of us (like myself) would not have ever heard of Starkville House of El or even heard of something called a “podcast.”
@Quinten Yeah, I honestly did not see the suit coming in Salvation. Season One is also a very good place to start sir. *holds up my sarcasm sign* (yes, I just made a Big Bang Theory reference on a Smallville podcast website) Yeah, Netflix is great for that, isn’t it?
@Woo That is very true! Steve and Derek shouldn’t hate season six so much, look what it did for them! jk lol Anyway, Yeah, I know the only reason my friend Dan Schmidt told me about this podcast was because he heard of it through the box set. Thanks for pointing that out.
@Michael I am pretty sure I didn’t name Woo the Superman of SHoE if my memory serves me right,but whoever that was..I concure.And as far as I’m concerned you could be a Superboy!
About what ya’ all said about podcasting..that’s a very interesting thing..something I now take for granted,I haven’t even heard about a few years ago.And before I starded to watch this show,which was like a year ago,I’d never listened to a single podcast..So the SHoe was my first!And a funny thing..before I’ve started watching Smallville the most people I’d heard about the show from and that tried to get me into it since they knew I was a big Superman fan were like girls.And the one girl that had finally gotten me into the show was my current girlfriend and a fiancee as of late,but she’s never been much of a Superman fan..she herself has gotten into Smallville because Tom Welling is hot basicaly,so when we used to watch season 9 together I had to explain it to her a lot of background stories about the characters.plotlines and such although she’s the one who’s been watching SV for almost a decade! But about the podcasts it’s a great thing because you can hear other people’s opinions and theorys,also the posts like on this website..just having other fans feedback on the show you like..cause usually you can’t go into such details about it with the people you normaly hang with..especially if you are in the military like I am again for this entire f…ing year,you know what I mean!I’m basicaly going to be finished with this last tour almost exactly sometime the season 10 finishes..go figure!
But whenever I get arround to using the net..besides checking my email and a few other things I always visite this site as well..it’s kinda become my routine!
@James Oh, I was pretty sure it was you. It must have been someone else, I’ll have to go back and find it. Sorry about that, but I’ll be happy to be Superboy. Yessss!
@Woo My friend Dan who introduced me to SHoE did I believe, does that count?
@Quinten I didn’t know there was a web site until like the end of seventh season around the time we heard that Rosenbuam wasn’t going to reprise his role as Lex Luthor.
@ Oh, lol. I was really disappointed when I put in season 8 disc 1 in right after seeing the season 7 finale and and finding out Lex wasn’t back as a main cast member. Same with seasons 3-4 when i found out Lois Lane is in the show lol.This is my first time actually waiting to see a season and following spoilers
I’m pretty bored so I’m going to go off topic and ask all of you SHoEligans what DC character do you want to see the most aside from the already announced characters. It can even be people who have already been the show. Just don’t say Lex because I know that hes on everyone’s list. I really want to see the Legion of Superheroes again. I also would like to see the Jay Garrick Flash. Also Deathstroke (Slade).
Legion of Superheroes
Justice League w/ Zatanna as a member (and please name them that)
Batman/Bruce Wayne
The Guardian
Jimmy Olsen (James Bartholomew)
Martha, Perry, and sorry Quinten, but Lex
Parasite
Amanda Waller
Jay Garrick Flash (John Wesley Shipp please)
Hal Jordan/Green Lantern
Aquaman, Cyborg, and Impulse
Ursa and Non (maybe)
Plastic Man?
Ted Kord Blue Beetle
The Atom/Ray Palmer
I’d really like to see Lana again so much..ha ha
Seriously..Green Lantern,all of the Justice League and the Legion of Superheroes!
And Michael..I’ll give you that..Superboy it is! But if your list of wishes was any longer you just might start including the Marvel characters..lol!
@Quinten Yeah, no Marvel, sorry, don’t like them too much except for their movies (and not all those are great either). Not the whole Legion or Justice League, just the ones we have seen before. And yes, Green Lantern, but note that I typed Hal Jordan first and NOT Green Lantern, meaning that I just want Hal, he doesn’t have to be GL yet, but it’d be cool to see him.
@Michael I was just kidding about the Marvel characters,you know that right?I mean I could have just as easely said that I want to see Transformers on Smallville,or..The Borg..lol!
You are right about Hal Jordan..that’s what I meant as well..I just typed in the hero name,of course that it’d bee interesting to see him before he’s GL.
Also considering Clark Kent in SV and his superhero persona..I usually call him or think of him as Superman and not The Blur..,especially not The Red Blue Blur..I’ve just always thought that was kinda silly to say the least!It’s been established in the show and it’s mentioned quite oftenly,but I’ve never really seriously bought that name when I think about it.So..when I heard Lois say the S word in that trailer for season 10 from Comic Con..I was like Yess..finally!!Now you’re talking..call him that!And not because I thought he should have been called that before in the show..he wasn’t Superman before,but just because I have issues with the Blur name.To me it’s like they’ve named him The Spot,or That thing over there in the photo!And than he goes by it..it just doesn’t sound very heroic.
I also realize that John S. said this in his San Diego Comic Con interview for SHoE. Bbut after thinking about Clark’s journey he has had in the ninth season. I just wanted to rationalize his return in type and in my mind.
I was just talking to a friend on Facebook about Smallville she hasn’t followed the series since like the fourth season. It is odd looking back to the fourth season and how many cast changes, departures, and really what has happened to Clark, Lois, and Chloe since that time. It is very mind blowing how the series has evolved from the days of Chloe and Lois trying to dunk Clark in water. To what we have now.
@Woo Yes it is! My cousins favorite season is four. He still watches the show, but 4 is his favorite for some reason. I personally loved 4, but 9 surpasses it for me. It has come from a very complicated high school drama/sci-fi series into a super-hero series, and that’s NOT a bad thing. I love the first 4 seasons (although I’m skeptical on 3), but if the whole show was about (as Mr.Glosson would put it) “relationships” and Superman getting through high-school (which I actually start today) then i don’t think it would have been on this long and been successful. But, like I said, it’s changed, and for the better I might add. We got Superman in season one, sure, but then they just started hinting and he didn’t act much like Superman (Red and Exodus for example). He acted like a normal teenage boy for a while. Season 4, I think, brought him back to being more like Superman, but he still wasn’t there yet. Season 5 came along and hey, “look, up at the screen! It’s a high-school kid! No, it’s a mild-mannered farm boy! No, it’s Superman!” We may not have gotten the “S” yet, but look at Reckoning! That was a Superman story! And a very good one at that! The whole Phantom Zone Zod stuff that went on during that season, that was Superman. Season 6 explored that a little more when Clark decided to go after the Phantoms he let loose, and when he teamed up with the Justice League (”Let’s go save the world!”). Season 7 gave us Superman in a little different way, and that was seeing Clark teach Kara about using her powers and living a normal life, something Superman tries to do with heroes in the comics. Season 8 gave us Clark Kent/Superman. We had seen Clark throughout the whole series, but it was a different Clark than we’re used to. Season 8 gave us the reporter Clark Kent that we have been waiting for, plus the Red-Blue Blur’s front page story saving Lois Lane. Season 9 brought Clark back as a darker Superman, but we finally got the “S”, and we saw a glimpse of the real Superman saving a crashing plane in the future. So, yes the show has evolved, the characters have evolved, but all for the better.
@ Michael J. Petty
WHOA! You’re JUST starting high school? You just shattered my entire universe! I for some reason thought you were older. Anyways, welcome to hell. I hope it you’re not completely and totally devoured on your first day freshie. ; D
Yeah, I’m sorry about your universe. I wasn’t devoured too bad, I ignored most people. Anyway, no I’m not older, proof of the would be going back to SHoE episode 135 Crossfire where Steve reads my email (which I typed in all caps on accident, so I got hammered for that) I tell him I’m 14, now I’m 15, but still.
@Michael. J Petty As long as you didn’t get tagged with a red S and get tied to a post in just your underwear. I think it might have been a good first day. Lol.
@Woo Yes it was pretty good. Anyway let’s change back to Smallville because this is a Smallville Podcast’s website, and I feel a little weird.
I had an idea recently and i thought it was really good. Well the CW most likely won’t do anything at all to continue the story of Smallville once it’s over unless they do a spin-off but it doesn’t look like its happening. I though that maybe DC could make a monthly Smallville comicbook. It would be very successful since all fans of Smallville would buy it which is around like 2.5 million. It would allow us to see a true spin on Superman since Smallville is about Clark. We wouldn’t have to deal with actors not returning since they can be simply drawn in with the actor’s likeness. They could add in tons of popular villains that they just couldn’t do on tv. If Geoff Johns worked on it, that would be fricking amazing. It would be like Ultimate Superman. I really hope DC does this even if there is a Smallville spin-off on the CW or any other network. What do you guys think?
@Quinten I think that that’s a great idea for a spin-off if we can’t have a new TV series!
@Michael
Thanks. I really hope they do something like that. A spin-off TV series is always welcome though lol.
@Quinten Your idea is pretty much what Darkhorse Comics did with Joss Whedon’s Angel and Firefly when they didn’t get renewed. I don’t know if it would sell, but I can see it working.
As far as the spin-off goes. Let’s just say for argument sake that Ollie does die in the tenth season. (Reason being I don’t see The CW making a JLA/JSA series. Not that I wouldn’t love that. I just don’t see it occurring.) If he does die I doubt that many people from Smallville will make guest appearances like Lois, Chloe, and Clark. Just because the writers (whoever they maybe) want this to feel more like a Green Arrow series than a Smallville series.) I may be wrong, this is just how I feel the writers may go if they choose too. Opinions fellow Zune, Android, and iPod SHoEligans?
@Woo Yea i totally agree with you. If there is a Smallville spin-off i highly doubt any cast members from Smallville will make appearances unless the show becomes extremely successful. When (and if) we Tom Welling fully in the Superman outfit in the series finale, I hope they take a crap load of photos of him so that in the potential Smallville spin-off we could see pics of Tom Welling as Superman in the newspapers. That at least show some connection from Smallville.
@Quinten http://community.livejournal.com/wreckhavoc2010/tag/fandom:%20smallville
@Natasha
Holys*** that’s really good
I kind of hope they don’t make a Smallville comic again because I really didn’t like the old ones.
@Tanner
Good point but at that time the show was a lot more “Al & Miles”ish so the show wasn’t as Supermanish as it has been the past two seasons and going on three. It also could have been the comic book writer. If a Smallville vet like Geoff Johns pens the comics or even Jeph Loeb, there’s no way it’ll fail
@Tanner Plus! We probably would have a bunch of better artist as well!
@Michael, Quinten, Tanner…And they should call it “Metropolis”, obvs.
@Natasha Of course, no brainer.
This is kinda out there but if the comic is made I want DC to treat it the same way they treated Batman Beyond. Since Batman Beyond wasn’t originally part of the DC universe, DC decided to make the Batman Beyond world part of a different “Earth” (which is like a different universe in DC comic terms). Terry McGinnis (Batman Beyond) has actually met the mainstream Superman and Batman. I think it would be pretty cool if Smallville’s Clark met the mainstream Superman. Maybe as the Blur or something, I don’t know. It’s wishful thinking. Probably would be better as a fan-fic but I’d still likie to see it professionally done.
^ Kinda like the “Lois & Clarks” episode of Lois & Clark. I loved it when they used them to prove that Clark wasn’t Superman since they were both at the press conference
Who has seen the new SMALLVILLE images?!? I love the one of Lois on the scarecrow post just like Clark was 200 episodes ago (they say its from Lazarus, but we all know it’s from Homecoming)!
@Quinten I have always thought in the early days of my watching the DVD’s/Blu-ray’s of seasons one through six that this is how Smallville can be explained to the “haters” (which can be different than “Man of Steel” purists) of how Smallville works continuity wise in DC continuity. Your idea of Smallville being an “else world” story like “Kal” or “Speeding Bullets” was. I don’t know that DC/Superman fans would accept this and I want to throw a question out to my fellow Zune, Android, and iPod SHoEligans… Do you believe that because Smallville was presented to audiences in October of 2001 in the style of a “Degrassi The Next Generation” more than a “Man of Steel” origin series. Therefore this is why “purists” have a problem with the series? That if we have the series begin essentially more or less how the fourth or fifth season began more comics fans would have been more receptive of it?
Or is it because so many things happened to Clark… meeting Lex when he still was in the ninth grade, meeting Lois in the twelfth grade, and meeting all the JLA/JSA heroes and or his rogues gallery of villains even before he became “The Big Blue Boy Scout” do you think that is the problem comics fans had and or have with Smallville?
The main reason I ask this question is for two reasons… “Lois & Clark” got really cheesy in its fourth season and I don’t hear many people bashing that series. Also, every time I get excited about Smallville at my local comic book store. I get these looks on people’s face like they just sucked on a sour lime. Opinions, please my fellow Zune, Android, and iPod SHoEligans?
I think most people’s problems are because of the time line of events.
@Tanner Yes, I believe so too. But to me it’s funny most people (minus Prof. Bailey) do not know when Superman first meets Green Arrow or Toyman or Metallo but they still nitpick.
@Woo From all the complaints I have heard most purists really dislike the show do to Clark fighting his entire rogues gallery before donning the cape. Also how Green Arrow has become a main character in a “Superman” show. I’m totally fine with it, I just don’t know why people flip out about people changing things around a little.
@Woo Very true, Clark (in the comics, well at least the Silver Age) met Green Arrow, Aquaman, Brainiac, Lex, Toyman, Metallo, Zod, The Legion of Super-Heroes, and I believe he knew who the JSA were all while he was still in High School as Superboy! So, no true Superman comic book fan should hate this show. It just goes to show how primitive there knowledge is, especially since I’m 15 and most of them are what over 20?
@Quinten It’s not necessarily a only Superman show, well at least it wasn’t, that is why it is called SMALLVILLE and NOT SUPERMAN. The show was originally about how characters like Clark, Lex, Lana, Chloe, and Pete went through their youth and grew up to fulfill their own destiny’s. Then around season five, and I have to agree with Steve on this, it became about relationships, but it also became a show about heroes, maybe not just Superman, but we also were introduced to Aquaman, Angel of Vengeance (who I want to see on the show again!), and Cyborg. Season Six came and we saw Green Arrow, Martian Manhunter, and the Justice League. Season Seven and we met Kara and saw Clark trying to teach her to become a hero (which she does become) and we saw Black Canary. Season Eight, for me, really became a Superman show. Lex was the bad guy, we had more Superman villains, and we saw relationships form. Season Nine reminded me almost of the Return of Superman story-line from the 90’s. We saw Clark come back after a few months and become The Blur, stripping himself of all his “human” ties and trying to be a savior. Season Ten will most likely be more of a Superman show from what we have heard so far. He has the suit, he will probably fly, he has Lois and she knows, his father is giving him great advice once again, Chloe (as much as I love that character) has left the building, I don’t think we’ll see as much Oliver this season, and we haven’t heard much about Tess. So, (like everyone else) I’m hoping that Lex Luthor will rise again. And even if we don’t get Rosenbaum (which I am sure we probably will) we will get some sort of reference that Lex is alive and well, and all Superman/Smallville fans will rejoice! So, that’s my tangent for today, thanks for reading!
@Woo I completely understand what you’re talking about and this is coming from a recovered,or converted purist who I was and still am to a degree about some points arround the Superman mythology..I’d even refused to watch the show for about 8 years of it’s run and your points about why the so called “purists” dislike the show are somewhat valid,but I think that it isn’t exactly about what the show is doing..it’s mostly about them,just as it was with me,I admit it,not knowing enough about the show and not even bothering to find out about it before starting to spue venom and hate all over something you don’t really understand!I never was one of the haters though,I just didn’t want to have anything with it and with me it was also about being sick of all of the teenage angst high school dramas and shit like that!I mean Kurt Cobain had sung in one of Nirvana’s songs how teenage angst has payed off well and look where it got him,he never got to be bored and old as he sings further on in the song!
Anyway I’ve changed my mind and once I’d gotten talked into actually watching the show..I have watched all of it all 8 seasons of it over the course of about two months..last summer and become a big fan of it!! I even like some things they’ve done in SV better than they are in a Superman canon,or should I say “dogma”,since I believe one should always except positive changes!
@Michael J.Petty Please don’t get offended by ny high school crap rant..I meant on TV..and besides you seem more mature than your age.Anyway good luck in high school..you’re gonna need it,hell even Clark Kent needed it!
@Michael I totally agree with you. I think most Superman purists or just comicbook fans expected this show to be a Superman show but it isn’t. Once season 5 came around it was definitely more of a Superman show than ever before but most purists or comicbook fans left the show already. I know a lot of people who quit Smallville after like the third season but when i got into it (which was when the 9th season was ending. I rewatched the whole series) I d my friends who hadn’t seen it since season 3 all of the cool stuff that has been happening and how its a lot more comicbooky. And now they are into it
@James No problem man, I totally agree with you. No offense taken, and thanks about the maturity thing.
@Quinten That’s awesome that they’re into it again. You started watching in the ninth season, and you’re already caught up! Good for you (round of applause)! Yeah, I started in the sixth season with Justice (I was watching Justice League Unlimited at the time and heard about a live-action JLA+Martian Manhunter on Smallville, so I watched it, although the only thing I didn’t like about that episode was there was no Martian Manhunter). Most say season six was the worst, but I started there and to this day it is my second favorite season (after nine)!
@James By the way, you named Woo the Superman of the SHoE comments, can I be Green Lantern?
@Michael Yea when i found out from this website IGN.com that Clark got the Superman suit in “Salvation”, I was like “Holy crap he’s almost Superman.” So I downloaded all of season 1 at the beginning of summer and fell absolutely in love with the show. Since I had no school I spent 100% of my time watching the episodes and spending all my money on the box sets. Now I kinda just watch whatever season that pops into my head. The show got me into comics and a whole bunch of stuff. I wanted to see everything having to do with Superman every created lol. Thank god for Netflix. And yes I did sign-up for Netflix through this site once I started listening to SHOE. Which was after I finished the series but at the time I didn’t know anyone who watched the show so I wanted to here someone else’s opinions on stuff.
Something that many of you brought up is the fact that this series began as more of a Clark Kent TV series than a “Big Blue Boy Scout” series proper and I think most of the “purists” thought like a couple of my fellow SHoEligans were saying that most hardcore DC Comic fans were half expecting in the third season the Legion of Superheroes and or Brainiac and to be frank with you; back when Smallville was on The WB I kind of expected that in the third if not the fourth season let alone the eighth season.
To be honest with my fellow iPod, Zune, and Android SHoEligans I really didn’t enjoy Smallville for the same reasons I like it now believe it or not. The first thing I didn’t like was non-comic book fans not knowing that Clana wasn’t going to work out. See, this is why I really didn’t have a problem with Clana because I knew it was not going to last especially the bringing in of Durance in the fourth season. My other big problem initially with Smallville was that it did look more like “90210″ type series more than a “Man of Steel” series.
I did get into Smallville later obviously because Joss Whedon’s Angel went off the air and I needed my TV genre fix.
@Michael J. Petty Hey, look at this way without season six we haven’t had the season six HD-DVD/Blu-ray/DVD boxset and without that box set many of us (like myself) would not have ever heard of Starkville House of El or even heard of something called a “podcast.”
@Quinten Yeah, I honestly did not see the suit coming in Salvation. Season One is also a very good place to start sir. *holds up my sarcasm sign* (yes, I just made a Big Bang Theory reference on a Smallville podcast website) Yeah, Netflix is great for that, isn’t it?
@Woo That is very true! Steve and Derek shouldn’t hate season six so much, look what it did for them! jk lol Anyway, Yeah, I know the only reason my friend Dan Schmidt told me about this podcast was because he heard of it through the box set. Thanks for pointing that out.
@Michael I am pretty sure I didn’t name Woo the Superman of SHoE if my memory serves me right,but whoever that was..I concure.And as far as I’m concerned you could be a Superboy!
About what ya’ all said about podcasting..that’s a very interesting thing..something I now take for granted,I haven’t even heard about a few years ago.And before I starded to watch this show,which was like a year ago,I’d never listened to a single podcast..So the SHoe was my first!And a funny thing..before I’ve started watching Smallville the most people I’d heard about the show from and that tried to get me into it since they knew I was a big Superman fan were like girls.And the one girl that had finally gotten me into the show was my current girlfriend and a fiancee as of late,but she’s never been much of a Superman fan..she herself has gotten into Smallville because Tom Welling is hot basicaly,so when we used to watch season 9 together I had to explain it to her a lot of background stories about the characters.plotlines and such although she’s the one who’s been watching SV for almost a decade! But about the podcasts it’s a great thing because you can hear other people’s opinions and theorys,also the posts like on this website..just having other fans feedback on the show you like..cause usually you can’t go into such details about it with the people you normaly hang with..especially if you are in the military like I am again for this entire f…ing year,you know what I mean!I’m basicaly going to be finished with this last tour almost exactly sometime the season 10 finishes..go figure!
But whenever I get arround to using the net..besides checking my email and a few other things I always visite this site as well..it’s kinda become my routine!
I would actually like to do a poll.
How many of my fellow Zune, Android, and iPod SHoEligans heard about SHoE through the sixth season featurette entitled “Big Fans?”
@James Oh, I was pretty sure it was you. It must have been someone else, I’ll have to go back and find it. Sorry about that, but I’ll be happy to be Superboy. Yessss!
@Woo My friend Dan who introduced me to SHoE did I believe, does that count?
@ Woo Yea i found out about SHoE through the box set. But I didn’t check out the site for a while
@James Never mind it wasn’t you, sorry my bad. It was Tim, I found the quote, so don’t worry about it, but I still call Superboy lol!
@Quinten I didn’t know there was a web site until like the end of seventh season around the time we heard that Rosenbuam wasn’t going to reprise his role as Lex Luthor.
@ Oh, lol. I was really disappointed when I put in season 8 disc 1 in right after seeing the season 7 finale and and finding out Lex wasn’t back as a main cast member. Same with seasons 3-4 when i found out Lois Lane is in the show lol.This is my first time actually waiting to see a season and following spoilers
@Quinten Oh, did I spoil that for you, I’m sorry.
@ Nah you didn’t lol
I’m pretty bored so I’m going to go off topic and ask all of you SHoEligans what DC character do you want to see the most aside from the already announced characters. It can even be people who have already been the show. Just don’t say Lex because I know that hes on everyone’s list. I really want to see the Legion of Superheroes again. I also would like to see the Jay Garrick Flash. Also Deathstroke (Slade).
Legion of Superheroes
Justice League w/ Zatanna as a member (and please name them that)
Batman/Bruce Wayne
The Guardian
Jimmy Olsen (James Bartholomew)
Martha, Perry, and sorry Quinten, but Lex
Parasite
Amanda Waller
Jay Garrick Flash (John Wesley Shipp please)
Hal Jordan/Green Lantern
Aquaman, Cyborg, and Impulse
Ursa and Non (maybe)
Plastic Man?
Ted Kord Blue Beetle
The Atom/Ray Palmer
I’d really like to see Lana again so much..ha ha
Seriously..Green Lantern,all of the Justice League and the Legion of Superheroes!
And Michael..I’ll give you that..Superboy it is! But if your list of wishes was any longer you just might start including the Marvel characters..lol!
@Quinten Yeah, no Marvel, sorry, don’t like them too much except for their movies (and not all those are great either). Not the whole Legion or Justice League, just the ones we have seen before. And yes, Green Lantern, but note that I typed Hal Jordan first and NOT Green Lantern, meaning that I just want Hal, he doesn’t have to be GL yet, but it’d be cool to see him.
@Michael I was just kidding about the Marvel characters,you know that right?I mean I could have just as easely said that I want to see Transformers on Smallville,or..The Borg..lol!
You are right about Hal Jordan..that’s what I meant as well..I just typed in the hero name,of course that it’d bee interesting to see him before he’s GL.
Also considering Clark Kent in SV and his superhero persona..I usually call him or think of him as Superman and not The Blur..,especially not The Red Blue Blur..I’ve just always thought that was kinda silly to say the least!It’s been established in the show and it’s mentioned quite oftenly,but I’ve never really seriously bought that name when I think about it.So..when I heard Lois say the S word in that trailer for season 10 from Comic Con..I was like Yess..finally!!Now you’re talking..call him that!And not because I thought he should have been called that before in the show..he wasn’t Superman before,but just because I have issues with the Blur name.To me it’s like they’ve named him The Spot,or That thing over there in the photo!And than he goes by it..it just doesn’t sound very heroic.