“Hostage” Airs Tonight
IT’S THE RETURN OF MARTHA KENT AND PERRY WHITE – Much to Clark’s surprise, Martha Kent (guest star Annette O’Toole) returns to Smallville with her new boyfriend, Perry White (guest star Michael McKean) in tow. Lois and Perry realize they are both working on the same story about the Red Queen, and decide to team up, which ultimately puts them in serious danger. Chloe helps Clark search for the Book of Rao, which they believe contains information on how to stop Zod and his army.
In the meantime, when the episode is over come back here and let us know what you thought, or email us so we can read your thoughts on the air!
I think from practical storytelling sense Kal-El needs to tell Lois that he is in fact The Blur. I say that just because we went through almost a decade of Lana not knowing Clark’s true origins and that in of itself has taught him for sure, what not to do in a love relationship. For me, Clark’s two biggest romantic relationships were Alicia and Lana and both those relationships have taught him, what he needs to do as a man, not a member of The JLA, not as “The Man of Tomorrow” as just a man worthy of Lois’ love. And remember Zune and iPod SHoEligans like Derek said in “Charade” podcast the writers could throw in a plot twist such as, Lois can’t understand why Clark hasn’t shown his face to Earth yet or Lois can’t handle being The Blur’s girlfriend and they could spilt up for a while because of it.
Remember for half a season in the third season of “Lois & Clark” were broken up for half a season, because they needed to re-define themselves and their relationship. They could do a similar story line on Smallville in the tenth season.
In the L&C TNAOS.. Third season..Their break-up didn’t last more then one or two episodes..And they got back together..
@Woo, Wendysue beat me to it. haha. I was just about to say the same thing. Their break-up on LnC lasted about 2 1/2 episodes. It was a long few episodes for the fans! However, I will say that they were actively working through conflicts in their relationship related to the revelation that he was Superman for the entire first half of the season. They had a lot of issues of trust to confront and Lois had to figure out if she was strong enough to be in a relationship with the strongest man in the world. Clark, for his part, had to recognize that Lois was her own person and that despite having powers he didn’t have the right to make her decisions for her or control her life. He couldn’t just do what HE thought was right when it came to HER life just because he was trying to protect her. Essentially, it was robbing Lois of HER ability to make a choice about her own life.
Does any of this sound familiar???? :) Are you listening Smallville Clark Kent????
The “break-up” on LnC was painful at the time. But looking back, it had to happen there too and the episodes where they were working it out are some of the best of the series.
I’m ok with Lois and Clark breaking up at this point in season 9, because I believe that they’ll learn sth positive from this experience, which will only make them stronger in the end.
Yes, we all knew that the break-up was coming at some point in their relationship – it is a TV show, and these sort of things are happening all the time. It’s called drama. And either you love it or hate it – you can’t ignore the fact that the drama/angst between the couple you are rooting for adds extra spice to your experience of watching a TV show, and leaves you wanting if not craving for more. But there’s always this possibility that you’ll go overboard with angst – and yes, I’m referring here to Clana drama, which lasted for 7 very looong years (plus a few, very painful for me episodes of season 8). Clark and Lana relationship had a very unhealthy amount of angst/drama, but let’s not get into it.
From the moment Lois and Clark had become a couple in Pandora I was wondering when the whole break-up scene was going to happen, and I was anxious about it. I liked the idea of Lois and Clark being together – and being a couple worked so well for them. So when the actual break-up scene finally happened I was a little bit surprised that it took place in Hostage in front of Martha and Perry.
You have this very awkward scene between the 4 of them sitting at the table, having dinner…There are some laughs and then: BANG! Lois starts to talk. And you know what? I’m glad that Lois was honest with Martha, whom she treats like a mother. To tell the truth, I didn’t like how Clark was trying to pretend that everything was fine between them – it wasn’t, and his attitude had totally set Lois off.
And once again I will repeat it – after seeing Hostage several times, the decision to split Lois and Clark makes perfect sense to me.
But I’m really getting irritated by people (not on this board) who are criticizing Lois for her decision, calling her selfish and other names, which I won’t repeat here. And I guess MJ you wrote about this – didn’t you? Siding with one character (your favourite) and completely ignoring the feelings, and the point of view of the other character?
I’m a fan of both Lois and Clark – equally (ok, maybe sometimes, it’s easier for me to relate to Lois because she’s a woman and she has so many human flaws, which she doesn’t try to hide, and that’s what makes me like her so much, but it doesn’t prevent me from understanding Clark who is well…man/alien? –lol! ;)
So, I don’t blame anyone for this break-up…it just had to happen…
Ok, that’s not entirely true – I put blame on Clark’s secret.
Yeah! his secret is the real villain of the story ;)
As for Salvation – I don’t really want to speculate about this episode. I’ve read some theories, about Lois and Clark +the Blur in the finale, and I just wanted to say that it will not be a huge surprise for me, if there’s more of the Blur/Lois/Clark triangle in season 10. *SPOILER* But I hope (please let it be true!) that Lois will recognize that she’s kissing Clark as the Blur *SPOILER ENDS*
Word to your spoiler, Joanna. I’m hoping the writers remember the events of Hydro to Crimson and the conclusion that Lois came to then…and that’s all I’m going to say.
Yeah, that’d be kinda lame if she didn’t recognize the kiss. Especially considering the callback she made in Crimson was after one kiss from CK, and now they’ve been dating for half a season.
@ SHoE Braintrust: Any way we could get the trailers/clips posted so we can have a place to discuss the finale? Just a thought, as I prefer to do my talking on this site
If she doen’t recognize it’s Clark she’s kissing,it would be almost,not quite,but almost in the same class as her not recognizing the man she loves because he puts on the glasses..I would hope that SV has dealt succsesfuly with that kind of clssic superman quibbles in it’s own,new and refreshing way.Still I think that’s gonna remain an unanswered question..did she or didn’t she,it’s possible even she’s not gonna be sure about that oddly familiar kiss and if the triangle continues in the next season that could be the plot devise for her suspicions about Clark and the Superman being the same person,after some sort of a cliff-hanger considering their relationship in this finale.
But my question really is what the hell is he doing kissing her as a Blur in the first place,if he didn’t tell her the truth!? Doesn’t it seem kinda cruel and jerky torturing both her and himself that way?
And also what I don’t understand,what is the reason or purpose of him not telling her the truth at this point..if that’s what happens..?
It couldn’t be for her protection,cause she’s obviously in more danger not knowing,being in the dark,just by being close to him whether she’s his girlfriend or not..so if he wanted to protect her by leaving her in the dark,he should completely cut all ties with her,live the DP and so on..and we know he’s not gonna do that.
Also it doesn’t seem plausible it’s because of her expressed wish not to know,cause he could conclude she’d in fact want to know if it was the man she’d been involved with and not some stranger!
That way she could make an informed decision if she wanted to be with him or not,instead of him making it for her!
So why then..the only answer it remains is him still being confused and not really knowing what is it that HE wants!
But we’ll have to wait and see what happens in the finale and how,before really discussing it..I guess those are my reasons I want him to deal with that relationship in a certain way,or if he doesn’t I’d like to see good explanation why not!
So…it’s still only Tuesday, huh?
Yeah, unfortunately. And the clip Matt released only made it worse. Grrr!!!!
With respect to the breakup, I really don’t have much more to add since you guys said it all perfectly. It boggles my mind that fans are giving Lois grief over what happened. As everyone here has said, we can see both sides of the story. We understand where both are coming from. Lois may not have picked the best time to “snap” but Clark shouldn’t have tried to put up a false front for his mother and asked Lois to play along and lie to his mother, a woman who she highly respects and sees as a mother.
You’re right Joanna, the big bad villain is Clark’s secret.
What is truly amazing is how they are handling this relationship. It is being handled maturely and realistically. If they were actually following standard Smallville relationship protocol, Lois and Clark would’ve definitely broken up in Warrior if not earlier, gotten back together in Escape, broken up again in Charade and gotten back together in Hostage and be left up in the air in the finale. But that didn’t happen here, they were together for approximately 8 months before the tipping point happened. They’ll have to work through this, fight for it, go through more ups and downs. Oh and Clark has to tell Lois his secret. What I truly love with the writing of the Lois and Clark relationship is they’re not writing it like a soap opera but grounding the relationship in reality so to speak while surrounded by a world of the fantastical.
I’m not even sure the finale will be good for Clois..And really confused about Erica Durance’s tweet.. Season 10 triangle is going to be fun and spicy.. totally confused….
@WendySue, whether Lois knows the secret or not, the triangle will always exist. I know we’re all going crazy with anticipation for the finale and trying to speculate what’s going to happen but I think it’s best to wait until we see what actually happens before trying to speculate what is going to occur in Season 10. Right now anything goes because we don’t what Clark’s status will be in the final seconds of the finale.
Honestly I’ve never been more excited for a SV finale.
This waiting for the finale is taking forever..lol
@WendySue, it happens every year, the waiting for the finale and then the waiting for the premiere. Which is kind of a mixed bag because this will most likely be the last season of Smallville when we go into Season 10. I guess I have to join the 10th Wonder Crew Heroes gets renewed for more seasons or on Blending In. I have always wanted to check out Human Target and Heroes.
I’ve decided not to watch the clip with Tess and Zod because I don’t want to spoil myself too much for the finale. I feel that a lot of things have been already revealed and I want to be surprised as much as possible (with already knowing what I know about this episode).
I was following Al Septien’s twits on his twitter account and I can sense that he’s not too happy with the way CW promotes this episode. Especially with the clips and the trailer which reveal, in his opinion, too much of what’s happening in Salvation – but at the same time he understands the need for such promotion.
So, maybe it’s better to remain spoiler free? Who’s kidding who – right? ;)
The waiting for Salvation is really hard… I’m getting more and more anxious about the finale…You know, I just don’t want to be disappointed…
I still remember the whole Doomsday hype last year – I had such high hopes, which were totally crushed… The whole episode felt flat to me.
Instead of being excited for season 9, I ended up being angry and confused. And yeah, I’ll say it – I felt cheated :(
Maybe I’m in minority but I liked Jimmy, and I liked Aaron Ashmore’s portrayal of the future Superman’s pal. I still remember the moment when Jimmy learns about Clark’s secret, his face is full of hope and admiration and his words “I knew it! I was sooo right” say it all…
And from that moment everything went downhill:
1) Clark/Doomsday THROWDOWN – oh, I’m sorry, did I just blink and miss it?
2) Jimmy’s death by the hand of Davis aka psychopath – a devastating moment T_T
3) Jimmy’s funeral (and it is revealed that Jimmy Olsen is not the real Jimmy Olsen but Henry James Olsen – who’s Henry??? O_O a big HUH? moment for me).
I just hope that this year we will finally have and EPIC (yes, it has to be put in large, capital letters ;) finale, where Clark is presented as the MAIN hero, and not overshadowed by other characters…
On a side note…
In order to kill some time, I started reading The Last Days of Krypton by Kevin J. Anderson. And what can I say – Wow! I’m totally blown away…
This novel is amazing. It’s a very well written story, and I love Anderson’s portrayal of General Zod aka “the Saviour of Krypton” – the tyrant and manipulator.
I highly recommend it to any Superman fan, who’s interested in reading about Krypton before its destruction.
Also, I re-watched some episodes directed by Greg Beeman, and I’m sooo happy and excited that Salvation was directed by him! :)))
These are some of my all-time favourite episodes of Smallville, and they are all directed by G.B.:
(Season 1): *Hothead (the first scene in the rain is wonderful!); *Jitters; *Tempest
(Season 2): *Exodus
(Season 3): *Exhile (a brilliant example of Beeman’s work!); *Legacy; *Covenant
(Season 4): *Crusade
(Season 5): *Reckoning
Huh, I did it again – I made myself excited for the finale… >_<
Oh, on a final note, I decided to re-watch all 9 seasons of Smallville before the start of season 10. Maybe I’ll start watching season 1 episodes in June if not at the end of May. Can’t wait for it!
Was it you Natasha who mentioned re-watching all 9 seasons during the summer?
I read Al’s tweet and his disappointment about another clip being released. It was similar to him being none too happy about the revelation of Zod searing Ollie’s chest with his symbol prior to the episode airing.
I was sorely disappointed with Doomsday and I know part of it had to do with what happened with the whole Lana arc and how all the characters outside of Lois and Jimmy (and that’s only because they were off in Star City) got thrown under the bus to make Lana be the hero. But when they pulled the Jimmy card I was just steaming mad and then the icing was Lois disappearing halfway through the episode and never seeing her again (although with that part I now not as miffed because I get what the purpose was there ;)). I truly enjoyed AA as Jimmy Olsen and he had a great dynamic with ED/Lois. I could’ve easily seen those two get into many fun misadventures in the future. *sigh*
I am really trying to keep my expectations low for this finale but it’s really hard. This helped, I had dream last night that Lana decided to show up and Lois and Lana became buddies. I know, nightmare :P.
I think both Natasha and I mentioned that we were queuing up all the seasons of SV in our Netflix accounts to gear up for Season 10. I mentioned that I was going to try to rewatch season 9 last weekend but that fell by the wayside because my stupid Apple TV decided to be temperamental.
WOW, that SpaceTV promo was great. *SPOILER* comments below:
Looks like they’re taking this to worldwide stage with some of the clips of things like the Great Wall of China burning. But I swear, if someone says “Look, up in the sky,” and it’s not about Clark flying, I’ll be very dissapointed.
Here’s the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YnXJyiPJ9c&feature=player_embedded
Well at least the Space Channel knows how to promote SV unlike the CW.
And they even used an excerpt from JW’s score when Supes is flying right at the camera and gives that knowing smile.
I hope it’s Clark they’re referring to because they already used it when Ollie was dressed as the RBB in Identity which miffed me.
I haven’t seen SpaceTV promo – don’t want to raise my hopes too much. It sucks that I have to restrain/control myself :(
(maybe I’ll watch it after Salvation?)
Oh, I’ve just noticed the stupidest mistake I made in my post: I meant to say “Al’s Tweets on twitter” and not “Al’s twits” – LOL!
…and this is exactly how the lack of sleep affects my thinking @_@
@Joanna, yes I was the person who brought up on the last page my dissapointment with some of the fandom in the way many people are handling the “breakup.”
Of course, I was sad that it happened…but I was also OK with it happening because I do believe that sometimes a relationship needs to go through conflict before coming out stronger on the other side.
In general, I feel like I can classify the reactions towards the break-up in a few different ways.
1. There are some Clois fans who are just so upset that they broke up period that they are looking for reasons to get angry or criticize and there’s really nothing you can say to convince them that this might not be a bad thing. You can argue until the dawn of time that the breakup doesn’t mean that they don’t love each other or don’t want to be together and they’ll still argue back that they should have worked it out. Which….to each their own. I disagree with that assessment for various reasons that I’ve stated on the previous page.
2. There are some non-shipper fans who just love Clark with all their heart who hate to see Clark hurt. Lois hurt Clark; therefore, Lois is to blame. In a weird way, I find this to be an equally problematic viewpoint probably because I don’t think either of them were on their best behavior during this episode and I’m not going to crucify either of them for their mistakes. Should Lois have chosen a better time to break things off with Clark rather than do it at the dinner table? Yes. Do I think that makes her rude or uncaring? Umm..no. I think it makes her human and makes no different than any other person (because I’m sure we’ve all been there) who has allowed their emotions to get the better of them and aired dirty laundry at an inappropriate time. Personally, my definition of rude includes behavior where a person is just completely uncaring and disrespectful and I personally didn’t find Lois’ breakdown to be either of those things. She didn’t insult Clark…she didn’t name call. It was horribly bad timing. But then again…that’s life.
Do I think Clark could have been a little nicer to Lois in the first scene as opposed to telling her that she was “over-reacting” and to “give him a break”? Yes. He could have been. He could have taken a minute to reassure her and let her know that he did care about what he was going through despite his obvious distraction. But again, I’m not going to rake Clark over the coals for not saying the exact right thing in that situation. I think they both made some mistakes with each other in the episode that led to the breakup. I think they both could have handled the situation better and with more care towards the other person.
Then again, I think the fact that they DIDN’T makes it more true to life. Relationships are often messy and often, in real life, we DON’T say the right thing or we do make the mistake of airing private business in front of family members or other friends. It’s a mistake that I think alot of couples have made in the past. It’s a mistake that you learn from and grow from.
I just don’t really see the point in taking sides. I understand that we all have our favorite characters. All you need to do is look back at my past posts on here to see that I’m the biggest Clark defender there is. I’ve written novels on here defending Clark this season against the people who have criticized him. I know that as a viewer I don’t like seeing Clark hurt. But I can also remove myself from it enough to see that Lois is not entirely to blame for this situation and to see that they both could have acted better towards each other in this episode.
I think alot of fans are permenantly scarred from 7 years of Clana drama. I mean, every time Lana fought with or ended things with Clark there was always some derogatory comment like, “I can’t believe I ever loved you.” etc etc. Now, THAT is, in my opinion, rude. It’s rude and careless to just dismiss your feelings for someone like that just because you are angry. But Lois didn’t do anything like that. She never told Clark that she regretted loving him or regretted being in a relationship with him. She wasn’t cruel or rude, in my opinion.
::shrugs:: I don’t know. This is why Smallville fandom just gives me a migraine sometimes. The negativity is just way out of control. Personally, I don’t have a problem with characters being flawed and making mistakes with each other. It makes them more real and much more relatable.
Wow, I go on a trip for work and misss EVERYTHING. (Fortunately I have wi-fi in these here woods.)
@ Joanna, I haven’t read Last Days of Krypton (though I do want to), but I have read Enemies and Allies, and as a person who is a HUGE fan of the Superman/Batman bromance, I highly recommend it. I read it in one day…seriously. Of course I was sick at the time and had nothing else to do but lay in bed with Bronchitis, but I couldn’t put the book down. And for the fellow Lois fans, she also comes off really good in the book. It’s set in the 50’s during the Red Scare, so that’s the atmosphere that sets up a lot of the conflict in the plot. It’s really good.
canadaian version of the trailer for savior
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YnXJyiPJ9c
much cooler but the audio sux
@MJ Just want to say that there are a few Clois fans (myself included) that are keeping positive and holding out hope (and not brooding in the barn about it, lol) that the break up is all just one part of the big set-up for the finale and S10. It almost feels like we were in this same place a year ago when we wondered if Clark would try to go to Lois before facing against Doomsday, and then afterwards holding on to the “theory” that Clark stating his “death” was in part due to Lois’ disappearance. So experience shows it’s in your favor to remain optimistic!
@MJ..Just relax and enjoy the show..that is the reason I only go on this site to check out comments and posts..I don’t even wanna go there anymore,I don’t know what’s going on and don’t want to know!! Is there,out there any other show with such crazy fandom?
Seems to me a lot of people take it waay to seriously..I mean there are shows with huge fandom,everyone with it’s own quirks..you have “Lost” fanbase where everyone has a theory and every single little thing is scrutinized and explored from every angle,or position in relation to other things(I love that show btw),but this..crazed,fanatic SV fans,oh man!
This show obviously has a way of reaching people..It got to me..few years ago,and when I say few I mean two,I wasn’t even considering watching it,I thought it was Dawson’s Creek with superpowers..I’m glad I got arround,but now I’m hooked.Last time I got that hooked was with “Farscape”..great show,I recommend it!
And what you said about fans being scarred from 7 years of Clana..ha ha..I’m one of them..I still have nightmares..how did you people put up with it? If I’d been watching the show on a year to year basis,I don’t think I’d have been able to continue after season 5..
I’ve watched ‘Hostage’ again and I totaly understand the break up thing even better now..I’ve totaly overheard Lois saying she doesn’t want to turn to either Clark or Blur anymore.Clark obviously heard and understood what she was really saying then too!
So besides everything that’s been said about both of their mistakes tht led to break up,I totaly get her wanting to find herself,her inner strenght and security,or purpose for that matter,without being the Blur’s sidekick or Clark’s girlfriend…in order to be able to be in a relationship as an equal partner.She obviously see both of those personas as stronger,more secure with themselves than she is and she wants to change that,improve herself,which only shows the growth of her character!
As for the timing during the dinner,well isn’t that what family dinners are for..haha..mine usualy are,especially during the holidays!!And as you’ve said about inapropriate situations for airing private business in front of other people..we’ve all been there..I’m still there every other week with my girlfriend since she has an unusual tendency for resolving private issues in public..but sometimes one hears it better that way..and that’s what happened in the episode as well..,so SEE it’s realistic!!
@James, surviving the seven years of Clana was not pretty. I’m surprised my TV lasted because there many a times I was ready to punch the screen or toss it out the window. Many of us wondered if it would ever end. Just when we had a glimmer of hope it got yanked from us. In the early years, and I mean early years, it was fine but then it just became the proverbial dead horse.
Lois most definitely needed to find who she was and not rely on anyone outside of herself to find it and this was the right time. She needs to be independent, stand alone and be someone all of her own if she will survive being with Superman in the future. I mean survive in the way that Lois could easily get swallowed up by the entity of Superman and just be seen as Superman’s girlfriend. She has to know who she is and sure of who she is before Superman enters her life. It was also incredibly mature of her to realize that she couldn’t rely on Clark or the Blur to define who she is. It’s one of the running themes of SV, looking within oneself to discover who you are and what your future will behold. You can’t rely on visions, symbols or cryptic words written on walls or in spaceships but by who you are and what you make of it.
Tomorrow! Tomorrow is Friday. Friday!
Does anyone know when episodes usually are for sale on Amazon or Itunes?
Guess there won’t one more episode of SHOE before the season finale… :(
oops. Left out be between won’t and one. Chalk that one up to lack of sleep on my part. LOL
@Martian With iTunes usually by 11am EST on Saturday. I’ve seen it up as early as 3:30 am and as late as Sunday afternoon which was the case with AJ. I’m not sure about Amazon.
TJ, I’m sure we’ll get one. The last long wait was worth it, I’m sure this one will be too
@Natasha, It’s the other way-around with me :) I haven’t read Enemies and Allies, but I’m planning to do it in the near future. I’ve almost finished the Last Days of Krypton (there are still 10 pages left – it’s such a good book :)
And talking about the fellow Lois Lane fans – do you know that Geoff Johns has been thinking about writing a comic book about Lois Lane? How cool is that?
I’ve seen an interview with him on Supermanhompage – it was last week, I guess. He said that for the first time in his career as a comic book writer he fell in love with a fictional character (after his experience with writing Superman: Secret Origin series).
Even though I’m not a big fan of Johns’s origin (I grew up on Byrne’s version of Superman), I totally love how he writes Lois Lane (you can see that he adores her character…).
Btw, I think that G.J. really enjoys the dynamic between Lois and Clark. When Craig Byrne asked him about his favourite element of Smallville, he answered: Lois and Clark scenes, the interaction between these two characters and their chemistry together (his favourite episode in the first part of season 9 was Crossfire, and he loved the opening scene between Lois and Clark in the TV studio).
Ok, I was trying really hard to stay away from spoilers but I couldn’t control myself anymore… I finally saw the SpaceTV promo… (I’m pathetic, I know ;)
I still prefer CW’s black and white promo, which is, in my opinion, more intriguing.
On a final note:
Tomorrow is THE DAY!!!
@ Joanna…and I thought I was gonna have to go to Comic Con and suggest a Lois Lane title. Just reading her side of the whole New Krypton storyline and how she’s investigating her father’s involvement, I think people forget how intriguing and action-y those types of stories can be when the protagonist has no superpowers or superhero alias. Let’s just say that All the President’s Men is one of my favorite movies and I would love to read an arc where we get to see Lois (or both Lois and Clark) doing that type of investigating. It really would’ve been fascinating during the Luthor Administration.
Let’s just say if I get into the SV panel at Comic Con, one of the questions I’m going to ask is “Will we get to see more of Clark’s reporter side and will we actually get to see some of these headlines with his byline?” I love superhero!Clark, but I also love reporter!Clark.
Also @Joanna, I guess you and I have some summer reading to do.
I must admit..I also have a little crush on Lois..especially how Erica is carrying out the role,but nothing as serious as GJ..I won’t allow that to develop any further..HA! Hell yeah,the chemistry between the two leads is fantastic!
Regarding the trailers,that Canadian one is different..bigger,looks like a trailer for a movie..shows just how big and epic a Finale it’s going to be in another way.The CW’s b&w one has more intimate and organic flow considering the story and the characters,especially Clark’s,progression through it.They’re both great!!
But between those two and the pics,they’ve really revealed a lot about tomorrow’s D day,haven’t they!
@Natasha..have fun at the Comic Con,as I’m sure you will..I hear it was great last year!! And I’m positive we’ll get to see more of that Clark’s reporter side in S10!!
It’s excellent site, I was looking for something like this