Poll: The Kandorian Conundrum
This poll is one that I think I am in the minority for. When Chloe showed Oliver the stockpile of weapons that she bought using his money it was obvious that Ollie was a bit taken back. However he didn’t totally disagree. She feels that she is justified in being prepared for a world of super powered kandorians. Now that we know that Zod has his powers and that he knows how to give the rest of the Kandorians their power as well, we have to look back at that moment at the cargo container. I remember having the impressions from various things I read and listened to, that many believed Chloe was going a bit overboard. What do you think? I will go on record that I always thought that CHloe was right to be ready for an army of kryptonians. The characters on the show have a hard time controlling Clark when he goes rogue, how will they fair against a military unit from Krypton who now has all of Clarks powers?
I voted yes to the first option, but I think I’m a combo of the first & second, yes I think it’s not overboard to be stock piling, but Clark also yes, up to Clark first. But nothing wrong with having a plan B.
Actually I think the problem is not that she has the weapons, its that she MUST have told Clark about it. Thing that she hasn’t done
I voted for the first one and I’m with Sherrie. It’s primarily a Kryptonian affair so Kal should be the guy to handle it however, if his method of “Leading the Kandorians” fails (and it pretty much has now that Zod’s got powers) there should be a backup plan.
Had Chloe told Clark about it, Clark would have insisted the weapons be destroyed. It’s not like they just have kryptonite rocks to hold towards the Kandorians to weaken them, they are weapons designed to harm/kill and CK would not be happy with that. He’d wind up throwing them into the sun.
They could always call Lana if this gets out of hand. She can just walk in and take them all out. See? and we thought the Lana being Kryptonite radiated was a lame idea. She will save all mankind. (i’m not a Clana shipper fan either, just going for a punchline here)
btw, that might be my longest post yet. I’m getting the hang of this new internet.
I’d say yes but she should have run the idea by Clark.
//They could always call Lana if this gets out of hand. She can just walk in and take them all out. See? and we thought the Lana being Kryptonite radiated was a lame idea. She will save all mankind. (i’m not a Clana shipper fan either, just going for a punchline here)//
Yes because we all know that the real superhero of SV is Lana and when you think about it, she’s actually the superhero trinity all rolled into one – She’s got the superpowers of Clark, Bruce’s millions (and now seems to have a penchant for black) and the female gene of Wonder Woman. Please Lana, come and save us all.
All sarcasm aside, I voted for the second option but I am like Rocco and Sherrie, that I believe it should be a cross between the two. I don’t necessarily have a problem with having a back-up plan, in this case a stockpile of Kryptonite weapons, but what I do have a big problem with is that 2/3 of this struggling League are keeping it from the big guy. As I have said, what Chloe said about Clark in Conspiracy – his moral compass being off, not trusting him and so on – is what truly sticks in my craw. Of the people currently in Clark’s life outside of Martha, Chloe is the one that has known Clark the longest and this is how she now sees him, views him, treats him – almost as the enemy, as the outsider. Why, because he has accepted his destiny, is leading by example, is being that beacon of hope for Metropolis and the world, is being the hero that she has always said he was, is now thinking all on his own and not running to her for answers about every little thing.
What I hope most of all is that in the Season Finale, Clark is proven right in his decision-making all along, that he had made the right choices and had taken the right path.
I didn’t choose any of the listed options. What I didn’t like about Oliver and Chloe’s behaviour was that they were working behind Clark’s back (and I guess I don’t have to remind people what happened in Doomsday when the members of the future “Justice League” decided to leave out Clark from their plan to defeat the monster?; and let’s not forget about Chloe’s role in the whole finale).
I think Clark, Oliver and Chloe should work together and be prepared to fight back the Kendorians (just in case the clones decided to rebel and attack humanity). But the most important thing is that our “heroic-trio” doesn’t trust each other – and that’s a MAJOR problem.
Oh, and what about the Krypto-infected “Elephant in the room” aka Lana Lang? I mean why not use her? Right now she could destroy the whole army of Kryptonians just by coming back to Smallville or Metropolis… I know it won’t happen but…there’s always an option – Chloe can contact Lana…(this is my least favourite alternative, because I think that the writers made a HUGE mistake by giving powers to Lana, who right now is more powerful than Clark).
I like the idea that Chloe does not sit around and wait for Clark to save the day.
@ Lois (?)
First of all, Jen, is that you? Second, I kind of agree that I’m glad Chloe isn’t just standing around waiting for someone to kill her like she usually does (remember Disciple?) but at the same time why would she keep this from Clark? It’s seasons 2 and 3 all over again! Except this time the topic isn’t relationships ann “the magnificent bastard” but super-powered evil clones that want to take over the friggin’ world! all the more reason to tell Clark.
Whos high pitch?
I have no problem with them being prepared to fight the Kandorians. What I have a problem with is the DECEIT.
Does Chloe have a right to protect herself? Sure. But does that excuse the lying and the back stabbing regarding Clark? Hell no.
You want to gather weapons as protection? Fine. It’s the lying to Clark part that makes me seethe with anger.
Sorry people….but I’m on Clark’s side on this one and always will be. Chloe is deceitful. She deceived Clark last season about Davis and she’s doing it again now . Clark, for his part, has been open and upfront about his plans with Zod and Kandorians. Chloe doesn’t have to agree with him….but at least he’s been honest.
I’m on Team Clark until the end.
The more I think about this poll the more I think there needs to be another option for voting.
Would it be possible to add an option saying that you are OK with the weapons but disagree with the METHODS used: LIES. Deceit. Back stabbing. Undermining Clark….AGAIN.
Brian, I think the discord in the fandom has more to do with Chloe’s lies than it actually does with the weapons themselves. SHe’s stock piling weapons that could end his life—without his knowledge. She’s going behind his back and potentially endangering his life by keeping him in the dark. That’s my issue with it.
“Would it be possible to add an option saying that you are OK with the weapons but disagree with the METHODS used: LIES. Deceit. Back stabbing. Undermining Clark….AGAIN.”
Don’t forget embezzling!
But anyway, I agree with the comment I quoted above. Making this type of a question a black and white situation where you either agree with Chloe getting weapons or disagree is a bit simplistic. I can agree that the weapons are necessary but completely disagree with the means in which these weapons were obtained and the fact that Chloe is keeping Clark in the dark about something that is, IMO, essential for him to know.
@ MJ – ITA :)
“and the fact that Chloe is keeping Clark in the dark about something that is, IMO, essential for him to know.”
Helen…I totally agree. God, it’s like the Davis situation all over again. Putting Clark’s life in danger due to LIES.
awesome comments everyone!
I didn’t vote and I haven’t read through all of the coments yet, but this is such a loaded vote with black and white options.
I was pissed to hell and back with Chloe about the weapons, but not because she had them, but because of her apparent disdain of Clark’s moral code (when this is what makes Superman the moral center of the superhero community). And I hate that it once again looks like the PTB are setting up Clark to be wrong about how to deal with the Kandorians, although I will be pleasantly surprised if that is not the case this time.
But regarding the weapons, what I think is wrong is that she’s once again keeping things from Clark, not trusting him, and being all smug and know-it-all about it. If this turns out like the Davis thing again, I will throw things.
So to answer the question, I do think the weapons may be necessary, but not the way Chloe is going about it. So a little of column A, and little of column B. And if those weapons fall into Checkmate’s hands to be used against Clark, I may cheer because maybe finally Chloe will see that her choices are necessarily THE best for humanity and learn to trust Clark again. (His plan, sans the Zod-powers angle, was actually working.)
Oh MJ, I love you . . . in a totally platonic way of course ;).
I agree that there really should be another option where they have a back-up plan BUT disagree with the methods or the execution of said back-up plan.
Even the General would agree that one should always have a fall-back plan when going into a battle but as with any battle, there is one who will lead those into battle and that person is Clark. Clark hasn’t done anything last year or this year to prove that he is untrustworthy or is unreliable or has sided with the enemy or that his decision-making is flawed. And when he did make a mistake, i.e. letting the towers getting built as far along as they did he admitted his mistake AND he took care of it. It is the rest of the League outside of J’onn J’onnz that has proven time and again that they can’t be trusted.
It’s not like Clark went into this plan totally naive and trusting everything that Zod says and does as the gospel truth. Clark has shown that he is cautiously optimistic and wary of Zod.
Additionally, Chloe made the comment in Persuasion that she’s not thinking so kindly towards the people who skewered her in the future and would like nothing better than to see an unpleasant end to them but you know what, Clark got skewered by Zod in that future as well but he isn’t ready to kill Zod nor send him off to the PZ right now. He still believes that the future can be changed, that there is still a chance that Zod can be saved, that things can be different and this is why he is Superman.
I went ahead and voted. It’s my 15th, 19th, and 26th amendment right *shrugs*
But I will say that it’s obvious that Brian didn’t put the obvious choice in the poll because that’s the most logical one and probably wouldn’t have generated such great commentary.
However, that’s the choice that makes the most sense.
Whether or not Clark would be for or against it is beside the point because not telling him makes it look like Chloe is willing to use them against Clark (whether he’s “mind-whammied” or not). That’s the problem I think most of us are having with this stockpiling. Hell, even Ollie initially thought about Clark when he saw the weapons. And Chloe all but indicated that she feels like Clark will side with the Kryptonians at the end of the day, which makes it sound like she’ll use them against Clark without a blink of an eye. Ah, to be reminded of Superman/Batman #49, only it’s Chloe with her “finger on the button” and not Lana.
Tragedy.
Biased poll is biased.
@Yeppers. This stockpile of Kryptonite weapons is reminding me more and more of that storyline about Lana pushing the button and making Earth inhabitable for Clark. It is making me wonder if we’re heading in this direction for the Season 9 cliffhanger – Clark will have to leave and stay at the Fortress because Metropolis and Smallville are inhabitable for some time. I would not be surprised if a Kryptonite bomb or greenK chemical weapon that has depleted the Queen coffers.
As other pointed out, good plan but tell Clark for god sakes. I think we all know that it will most likely lead to some form of bad drama that SV is famous for.
As for Cliffhanger, Clark does have that big chunk of Blue K(from Savior that if the city gets green K infected he can always hold that around him to neutralize himself)
Mr. Derek is no here, but Ms. Chloe and Mr. Oliver should have the kryptonite weapons. Not only if Mr. Superman goes bad, but now that Mr. Zod has powers. The Checkmate has the Mr. Corben to take down the Kandorians, and Mr. Superman keeps kryptonite on the farm if Mr. Superman goes bad, so Ms. Chloe should have weapons to fight the Kandorians. No, No, this is Edna, not Mr. Derek. Mr. Derek is no here.
Ok, so in the end I’ve decided to give my vote – if there’s no other option I’ll pick the one that suits me the most (Team Clark – Team Superman).
Oh, and doesn’t Chloe have that device, which was left by Jor-EL on the farm? Maybe it will be used against the clones? Do we know how it works? (I don’t seem to remember if it was explained…).
First off, I’m not the “M” that posted above that the poll is biased. I actually think it’s a great idea to talk about this and I’m glad Brian brought it up.
Just to put things in perspective I wanted to share something…
My husband and I watch Smallville together every week. Just to paint a picture for you…we are late 20’s and we’ve watched every episode of Smallville since the pilot. I am the die hard Superman fan in the relationship. My husband is a Superman fan but he has never read the comics. I share things from the comics with him from time to time but he hasn’t shown had interest in reading them. However, he does love Smallville. He’s not a die hard fan though. He doesn’t come on Smallville fansites. He doesn’t listen to ShoE. He actually teases me that I visit the fansites. So I guess you would call him a committed viewer (he never misses an episode) but he’s not really on our level of obsession with the show. In general, I don’t really talk to my husband about anything that we talk about in fandom because he’s just not overly interested. When the episode is over, he doesn’t usually feel the need to talk about it. He’ll say whether he enjoyed it or not and that’s about it. He’s probably pretty representative of the average TV fan that way.
In general, he has liked Chloe over the years. She was never his favorite character and he never had a crush on her (his crush has been reserved for Lois since her first appearance in “Crusade) but he certainly enjoyed her as a character and a friend for Clark on the show. His feelings for her started to change somewhere mid Season 8. After “Eternal” aired last year I remember him saying that he was starting to sour on her character.
When we were watching “Conspiracy” it was actually my husband who said out loud “Chloe is a huge huge manipulative bitch” when he heard Chloe blame Clark for the Doomsday debacle and lie about stock piling the weapons. He was totally dumbfounded by it. My husband has NEVER shown any interest in Smallville online fandom but he actually asked me after the episode was over if Chloe was hated in the Smallville fandom. I told him it was complicated and that she had become a controversial character—probably the most controversial character ever on the show. I told him that the fans had many differing reactions towards Chloe ranging from extreme devotion and adoration to downright hatred and everything in the middle. He said that he couldn’t understand for the life of him how anyone could consider her a hero after the way she had treated Clark. My husband said that he watches Smallville because it’s a show about Superman. He said that if it wasn’t about Superman….he probably wouldn’t watch it. He loves the Clark and Lois love story because it’s the love story between Superman and Lois Lane. Bottom line….he wants to see Clark be the hero of the story. He was annoyed to see two supporting characters back stab the hero in such a vicious way. He went off for 10 minutes after the show was over talking about how cruel it was for Chloe to lie to Clark and keep those weapons hidden from him. Then he said, “Who’s show is this anyway? Because last time I checked it was a show about the future Superman not Chloe.”
Why do I share this story? Because we are completely engrossed in Smallville fandom and so we are used to dissecting every last thing that the characters do searching for motivation. The average fan doesn’t do that nor is the average fan caught up on all the online wars that occur in the fandom. They judge based on what they see and they aren’t influenced by the emotions of the fandom. So for my husband, someone who usually NEVER bothers to even comment on anything about the show when it’s over, got so worked up that he was actually yelling at the TV at Chloe….I knew it was bad. He was seriously annoyed. He was annoyed to the point where he said that he couldn’t even stand to look at Chloe anymore on the screen. And I said NOTHING to influence these feelings. As I said above, I don’t talk about the show with him. That’s what I have you people for. :) So when I saw how pissed off he was…..I knew it was bad.
I’m definitely in the camp of “having the weapons is probably not a bad idea, but keeping Clark out of the loop IS.” It’s not just a question of Chloe betraying Clark on a personal level by not telling him; it’s out and out dangerous. Chloe and Ollie are not the people I’d want sitting on the button, particularly Chloe. She’s waaaaay too overconfident in her abilities and waaaaay too controlling to be trusted with that kind of proverbial firepower (So good on you Ollie, moving that stockpile while she wasn’t around). Neither of them are exactly moral paragons, either. Giving them control of the stockpile without any kind of check is just screaming for misuse of the k-nite, either by them or by a third party who, thanks to team Watchtower’s hubris, is able to get their hands on it. Which, hey, since we know that Tess has been piggybacking Chloe’s (horrible, Big Brother-ish) hidden cameras at the Kent farm and elsewhere, and we know Tess is a member of Checkmate, seems almost inevitable. If there’s any justice in the SV world, this is going to come back and bite Chloe in the butt in a big way.
To me, it’s also the idea that should something go wrong…weapons or no weapons….Clark is their best hope for survival. This was even acknowledged in “Pandora” when Clark reminded them that under a yellow sun he was their best chance of defeating Zod and Co. Why the hell would you keep your strongest weapon out of the loop? Why would you deprive him of knowledge that could be essential to your survival?
This is just such an extreme case of ego and it reminds us of how special Clark is to wield the power that he does every single freaking day and not go to his head. Clark is EXTREMELY powerful. He’s the most powerful man in the world. If something were to go wrong with the Kandorians…they need him! How can he help them if he’s not kept in the loop? It’s just such an extreme form of ego and disrespect for a man who has saved her life over and over and over again for the past 9 years. And yes, I know that Chloe has been there for Clark and has saved him on occasion too. But come on. Clark has been there to save his friends time and again over the years. He has been their Savior without hesitation and with no thought to his own needs for years on end. He has lived for his friends and loved ones. And how do they repay him? With betrayl.
What an appropriate message for Holy Week.
I can’t choose any of the options because Oliver and Chloe are justified by stockpiling Kryptonite weapons but they should tell Clark what they are doing. Chloe keeping it secret makes me feel that the events of Doomsday made her stop believing Clark can become what we know as Superman and it may cause her death. However, on the other hand Oliver still believes that Clark can be Superman due to him seeming skeptical about keeping the stockpile a secret.
Not only has he saved his friends but also his enemies.
Here’s a couple questions I have that aren’t being asked. What gives Chloe the authority to make such a decision in the first place? And how are they any different from the villains if they refuse to play by the rules they are there to uphold?
Her entry point into the hero world was one of Clark’s psycho former girlfriends setting him up without his knowledge or consent to display his powers in front of her (Pariah). Eventually when cornered (Arrival), he revealed the full story. It is on him that he kept going to her for hero-related things, but it’s also on her as she was never forced to. However, money never exchanged hands and it was in an unofficial capacity. Fast forwarding to more relevant territory, eventually Oliver hires her on. So basically we have a proto-JLA led by Oliver and a freelancer to this organization in Clark, who while not financially in charge of it, is looked to as the leader of it.
So basically as an employee of his, the hierarchy is that Oliver’s word is final over Chloe’s. So any decisions that go on under his employ he is responsible for. If he has objections yet he still doesn’t pull the plug, that’s on him. Which does NOT absolve Chloe at all, it just additionally implicates Oliver. Legally/financially unless Clark gets a JLA paycheck (which to everyone’s knowledge he does not), he doesn’t have an official say in what Oliver does with his money. But morally and as colleagues? They are failing and they are doing the wrong thing by giving Clark zero input on it and also hiding it from him.
Whether these weapons are right or wrong, Chloe obtained the funding for them illegally. She hid that and she hid them. That’s not something you do when you feel 100% confident that you are 100% doing the right thing. Oliver at least had some semblance of hesitation towards the whole thing and rightfully called into question this “There are rules for me, and then there are separate rules for everyone else” attitude of Chloe’s. But at the end of the day he still remains an accomplice. I’d like to think that when it comes to crunch time, his conscience will get him to make the right choice and tell Clark this time.
Here’s the number 1 thing for me. Learning from your mistakes and owning them. Clark is doing it. He always owns it. This time he saw how things went down, and he is doing things differently than in that alt-future. People aren’t believing in him, they are questioning what he’s doing, they are second guessing him at every turn. But guess what? He’s RIGHT.
Just like he was right on his instincts last year. Yet then he listened to Oliver & Chloe, and as a result of listening to them and trusting them over his own initial judgment, it all went to hell. He learned his lesson. He’s not changing the way he’s going about things because they object, he’s doing it on his own. He’s happy to have their help but when they try and go down the wrong path he speaks up and says so.
Oliver at least seems to have some sort of conscience. I’ll say that much for him. He showed contrition during his downward spiral, and he’s generally trying to be a good guy and a good hero, but he’s still holding on to that “whatever means necessary” mentality that got him into trouble in the first place. He’ll always be more of a shades of gray rule-breaker than Superman, but he needs to establish his lines that he won’t cross from here on in and he hasn’t successfully done that yet. So there’s hope for him, but he’s currently still in the wrong.
Chloe on the other hand might as well change her last name to Luthor. Like Lex, she requires obsessive amounts of control, thinks there’s a set of rules for her and a separate set for everybody else, thinks she always knows best and thinks that “whatever means necessary” is the golden rule. She hasn’t learned SQUAT. Actually check that, she learned a lesson from Doomsday, the wrong one. The same one Lex would always learn if something went wrong. ‘It didn’t go wrong because of what I did, it went wrong because I didn’t do ENOUGH’.
So instead of owning up to mistakes and learning from them, she compounds and repeats them. Instead of trusting friends and counting on them, she pulls away and trusts no one. She’s so arrogant that like Lex she thinks that if everyone would just do it her way, then everything would be fine. That’s how good people go bad. The end result overtakes everything. Eventually they’re breaking all sorts of laws and all the ideals they stand for as long as they can accomplish their goal, but by doing so they make that goal mean absolutely nothing as they sold out their ideals they stood for to get it.
Spying on friends and family, kidnapping your own cousin and putting your boss in a simulated ‘death’ game without his knowledge, ‘helping’ people establish new lives while secretly tracking them, embezzling millions, creating weapons that could be used to kill your so-called ‘best friend’ with said illegal funds without consent from your boss, and according to the preview trailer chloroforming your own cousin. Yeah, some hero. But it’s all OK as long as the intentions were for the end goal of saving the world right? The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Oh. And by-the-by, I feel fairly confident in saying that the stockpile of weapons will not be saving them. Pretty darn sure it will do the exact opposite and backfire drastically on them. You see, they had these exact same weapons in the alt-future. How’d that work out?
Seems to me that while Clark is doing things differently this time out, Oliver & Chloe are still doing the exact same things. Doesn’t look to me like Clark’s choices were what landed everyone in Screwed City. In fact, I would hazard to guess that Clark choosing a different path this time is going to be what leads to everyone’s Salvation.
Luke, you are AMAZING. A giant word to your entire post. You sentiments echo many of the concerns that we have brought up on here over the past several months. AWESOME POST.
Luke, you are the best, as always.
Hey everyone, lets take a breather shall we?
I wrote this poll on my own with three very simple answers. It’s not about method, intent, or deceit. I wrote this poll because I am excited that smallville is coming back and I wanted to try and give everyone something FUN to think about everyday this week until Escape airs.
Unfortunately we can’t seem to have topics on this site that involve Chloe, Lois or Clark without it turning into a hate fest.
I really appreciate the comments that people leave on each and every one of my posts, and I read them so that I may do better on the next post i write.
Hopefully you all understand that I have no hidden agenda when I come up with these ideas.
Hey Brian, I’m not sure I understand the problem.
I’m thrilled that you made the poll. I think it was an interesting subject to talk about. Just because we disagree doesn’t mean it’s not fun. I don’t think you had any bad intentions when making this poll at all nor do I think you have any kind of bias at all or hidden agenda.
Honestly, I disagree with you that this turned into a hate fest either. Expressing discontent with a character on Smallville doesn’t mean it’s a hate vest. The bottom line is that Chloe has become a controversial character. That’s not neccessarily a bad thing. I would probably argue that it’s a good thing because it creates interesting discussion. I personally love hearing what everyone has to say and where they are coming from. It keeps things interesting!
When a character is controversial—there are going to be people who disagree with their actions.
You expressed above that you wanted to get an idea of how people felt about Chloe stock piling the weapons. That’s a totally legitimate and interesting question. I was thrilled to see you do it. You got some honest reactions from people and many people explained that they didn’t have an issue with the weapons but with the way that Chloe deceived Clark. No one accused you of deceiving anyone. No one bashed any actors or producers. There were no personal attacks made. No one said they hated the show or anyone involved with the show. On the contrary, I think most of us (I hope at least) LOVE the show and that’s why we love to talk about it. If I didn’t love this show and find this fun I wouldn’t waste my time talking about it on a regular basis. :)
I just think that if you ask an honest question….you have to be prepared for an honest answer. It doesn’t mean that it’s a “hate fest.” Now if the conversation evolves into personal attacks on the actors or bashing the show in general then I totally understand the problem because I’m against that as well. But that wasn’t what was happening here. I think there were a lot of valid points made. It just means that there are some fans out there right now who are upset with what is going on with the weapons and want an outlet to talk about it. I thought it was AWESOME that you provided that outlet for us.
Anyway, that’s just my opinion. I just think it’s sad to open up such a great discussion and then ask people to stop because they were being honest about their frustration. BUT—I will say again that I think it was really really cool that you set up the poll and I think this was an important issue to raise as we come into the new episode on Friday. The show seems to be drawing a line down the center right now: who is with Clark and who is against him. It’s cool to talk about it and hear everyone’s views.
Thanks again!
What hate-fest? This is a damn good discussion. And Luke, you are my hero.
Quick question…just roll with me here…at the end of the episode Tess looked in the crate or whatever for the whatever Chloe was hiding right? And the weapons weren’t there…here’s where I need the help. I am under the impression that Oliver moved the weapons, but Chloe doesn’t know the current location. Is that correct?
Luke- I like what you said about “Learning from your mistakes and owning them.” And then “People aren’t believing in him, they are questioning what he’s doing, they are second guessing him at every turn.” And I get annoyed because sure, Oliver and Chloe and any other person in Clark’s life should call him out when he’s being ridiculous, but there comes a point when they need to say, “even though this isn’t how I would do it, I am going to support you and do whatever you need. Even if you have already made a bad decision, I am going to help you fix it (the way you want to fix it) because I believe in you.”
It is a good discussion, but it seems there is quite a bit of sentiment here that the poll was biased. I will tell you that I “tried” to give 3 different options that wouldn’t insinuate anything more than the ones that I thought were most likely.
Sorry for the #Rage
There was no rage, I think, just a desire to clarify.
On our part, towards you, I mean. Argh, poorly worded posts, why can’t I edit you…?
@ Brian – I do agree that it’s an interesting discussion, and it’d be a pity if it ended just because of different points of view. It’s a controversial topic and people have strong opinions. I just took a look at the result of your pole and for me it’s clear that the answer to your question: “Are Oliver and Chloe justified by stockpiling kryptonite weapons?” is not so simple. And I hope we can continue this discussion, because I do think it was a great idea to make this poll and allow us to discuss our choices.
@ Luke – I really enjoyed reading your post. Here are some of your points that I agree with:
-Who gave Chloe the right to spy on people? To control their lives? To sum it up: to play the BIG SISTER? The answer is: it was her own choice, she wanted power and very often power corrupts (by the way I really liked the comparison you made between Chloe and Lex)
- I totally agree with what you said about learning from your mistakes and owning them. This season we can clearly see that Clark is doing it. But Chloe? I feel that her need to be in control is her attempt to escape from her mistakes and responsibility for what happened last year and what’s happening this year (why is she lying to everyone? to Clark, who is her friend; to Oliver with whom she is intimately involved? It’s very difficult for me to approve her actions and see them as justifiable).
- I still have hope in Oliver – he wasn’t convinced if keeping secrets from Clark was such a great idea – let’s see if he can redeem himself in the end. I want to believe that he has learnt his lesson well.
It’s okay Brian. I mean, only one person made a comment about the poll being “biased”, almost everyone else just stated that the situation isn’t as cut and dry as the options we were given, but this had led to a wonderful discussion so it’s all good.
Alright gang, here’s a followup question. Will Clark discover the stockpile on his own or will it be Chloe or Oliver to spill the beans?
Another option, is this a plot device that gets swept under the rug for a while?
Discuss. I won’t interrupt.
Brian, we want to hear what you think! You should interupt if you want to! It’s your poll!
I have a sneaking suspicion that Oliver is going to feel guilty lying to Clark and come clean. I’m not sure why but that’s where my gut is going with this.
As much as I want it to be, it’s not going to be Chloe. I don’t think. I think we could have our answer in the Checkmate episode.
I agree with Dan Schmidt up there, Chloe and Ollie should at least tell Clark. They do have a right to be doing it, but they should tell CK about it! If he finds out (oh, and he will) he’ll be awfully mad at them for this.
I still believe that the explosion Clark and Zod walk away from in the previews is the stockpile, either that or Checkmate HQ
I have a bad feeling that Clark will discover the stockpile although I’d rather Ollie be the one to tell him (because it would redeem Ollie SO MUCH in my eyes if he did and it will show that he actually learned something from the Bloomsday debacle and the events if this year).
On the other hand, if that explosion that Clark and Zod are walking away from is the stockpile, it could simutaneously be BADASS and A VERY BAD THING. I would hate for that explosion to be so-called “proof” that Clark can’t be trusted or is making “bad decision” because that is a plotpoint I’m f***ing sick of.
Aw shucks you guys, lol. =)
For poll choices, I actually did find the appropriate one for me. I chose NO. Why? In Alternate 2010, Chloe & Oliver made these exact same weapons. They bought them a day and got Clark & Lois out of the Luthor Mansion. With that in mind, simply tossing a couple kryptonite rocks into the Luthor Mansion would have disabled Zod and his soldiers so that Clark and Lois could have escaped just as easily.
Anyway, the end result of having those weapons was that Clark was fatally stabbed with one. And everyone else in Alternate 2010 died. The key to changing the future is learning from the mistakes of the past. Yet by Chloe making these weapons and Oliver hiding them, the exact same mistake is being repeated. My answer is no, it should be up to Clark, because he is the only one of the three as of now to have learned from the mistakes that caused Alternate 2010.
I think that eventually Oliver tells Clark about the stockpile after they are stolen from him by Checkmate. I think they eventually find them because I think Chloe joins Checkmate at the end of the episode with the same name. And I think Checkmate wants to use them to enact the old Order 66 scenario to eliminate all Kandorians, by using Chloe’s tracking beacons.
I’d like to think Zod helps Clark get rid of the weapons however. And as for Chloe’s follow-up, she probably thinks Checkmate is doing what’s right to save the world until it’s too late and she’s in too deep, which is probably where the episode Sacrifice comes in. I’d imagine she turns on them in that episode when she finally realizes Clark was right, and then she’s a woman without a country.
In the end I would like to think that the thing that saves Earth from the Kandorians is Clark’s approach of trying to treat them as people. That in the end his belief in them and his giving them hope makes them choose following his example instead of Zod’s. And in the ironic twist that Smallville so loves, the real enemy (for Season 10) ends up being the United States Government under the direction of Checkmate.